User talk:71.57.144.200

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[edit] CityHost411.com

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, one or more of the external links you added to the page chamber of commerce do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed. Wikipedia is not a collection of links; nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page before reinserting it. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.
--JKeene 23:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the information, we will remove any links, but request to have this new chamber information listed as it represents the new model of chamber of commerce, is partnered with city government and is a non profit company.

Please provide reliable sources per Wikipedia's verifiability policy showing that CityHost411.com is "the next generation of chambers of commerce". Also review Wikipedia's notability guidelines and decide if CityHost411.com should be mentioned on Wikipedia. If you are involved with CityHost411.com, review Wikipedia:Conflict of interest for more relevant information.
--JKeene 01:17, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again for your help in making this a good entry. I sent you a link to help verify the statements regarding CityHost411 from a frontpage newspaper article. I will try to make one more edit to accomodate your wishes.

I am concerned with the reliability of this source, considering that it is on a website "Powered by CityHost411.com" and features a large CityHost411.com advertisement at the top. In addition, this source does not mention CityHost411.com's relationship to chambers of commerce. Please provide an independent source, unaffiliated with CityHost411.com, that verifies the statements you wish to add to the article.
--JKeene 01:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem, CityHost411 is the Non Profit Corporation that is by definition a chamber of commerce (organization based on members of local businesses to support each other). You may see the offical State of Florida documents verifing this here: http://sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=N07000010640&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=CITYHOST411&names_filing_type= or visiting http://sunbiz.org and searching for cityhost411. CityHost411.com is the website that powers the internet side of CityHost411, we also have newspapers, radio, etc as partners.

This appears to be an advertisement. Here are my concerns:
  1. Why is CityHost411 worth mentioning in this, or any other, article?
  2. What independent sources do you have to support its notability?
  3. Why is CityHost411 using a Wikipedia article in its promo video? (see CityHost411.com)
From my understanding:
  1. CityHost411 is a marketing scheme, so far employed by one city.
  2. There are no independent sources discussing CityHost411, all sources available are "partners" of CityHost411.
  3. The creators of CityHost411 are taking advantage of Wikipedia to advertise their product.
Until these concerns are explained and reliable sources are provided and cited in relevant articles, you should cease spamming CityHost411 information and links in Wikipedia articles.
--JKeene 02:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I will address your 3 concerns below:

  1. Why is CityHost411 worth mentioning in this, or any other, article? Because it is a first of its kind system every adopted by a City government.
  2. What independent sources do you have to support its notability? The Hometown News is the largets weekly newspaper in the United States with over 500,000 circulation, they did the front page story on CityHost411, they are an independant noted and respected publisher. CityHost411 only hosts there website, that's it.
  3. Why is CityHost411 using a Wikipedia article in its promo video? (see CityHost411.com) Why wouldn't we? If Wikipedia is a potential source of people finding good information, then what reason would we have not to also promote Wikipedia?

Finally, your "understanding" is not only incorrect, but libelous. I will now inform you that CityHost411 is a legal entity, partnered with city government and others, the use of the words "marketing scheme" or terming it as "spam" will not be tolerated. Please Cease and Desist from using these terms again when associated with CityHost411 or any of its partners.

[edit] Welcome back

I noticed your most recent edit was a deletion of most of our conversation on my User Talk page. I believe this discussion should be retained in case I need to reference it in the future. I've restored the conversation, and I hope you will consult me before deleting sections of my Talk page in the future.
Regards,
--JKeene (talk) 01:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)