User talk:71.240.25.243
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--Then I will use the term malicious instead of slanderous. There is no set order by which items should be listed, but the order should be gauged against the purpose of the article. What you are doing is similar to stating MLK was adulterous before mentioning he was an incredible civil rights leader. In my version of the article, all your facts are being preserved, but in a more appropriate manner. For the sake of civility, could we please quite this back and forth and just use the "neutral version" as the building block to the St. John's article? - 5/22/07, neutral version advocate
[edit] sju
It is neither slanderous nor malicious. It is informative. That is the purpose. Your version is not neutral but pro university. use one IP address, this is ridiculous. I'm going to stop replying if you don't stay consistent. 64.131.205.111 03:44, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
The version I use does not favor the university. If I was intending to distort the truth, I would omit the information entirely. I think it is appropriate to list it, however, it is even more appropriate to place it in a particular section. With negative information listed at the very beginning of the article, the entire article becomes discredited by first time viewers, as a bias is automatically percieved. However, with the information listed further down the article, more credit is given to its contents as it appears appropriately placed. I did graduate from St. John's, but I also recognize the need to be upfront and honest about all issues surrounding the university, which is why I do not delete the information. They university has had issues in the past, and those should be made evident to the reader. However, those issues do not define the university, but rather, are associated with it. Things which define the university should be listed first, (academics, founding, demographics, etc), and things associated with it (athletics, alumni, scandels, rankings, etc) should be listed further down the article. I would make the same edit if someone was trying to list the basketball history of SJU before listing its academic profile and basic demographics. I appreciate that a new edit has not yet been made, and I would very much like to see this issue resolved. I do not want to be confrontational. - Ticonderoga (P.S. I travel often, and thus the multiple IP addresses)
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