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[edit] Welcome!

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Many thanks to you, User: Nishkid 64 for your invitation

Posting this at Discussion Boleslaw Radziwill,

  • also here, because it is applicable to many other Wikipedia artcles:

Spins and Twists:

Radziwills were Princes of the Holy Roman Empire (Reichsfürsten) since emperor Maximilian I granted them the title and thereby positions and responsibilities. Naturally they had differing outlooks, functions and responsibilities.

EN Wikipedia (largely controlled by our dear friends, the Preposterous Polish POVers) has been and is still doing its darnest to Polonize just about everything and everyone that they come across. They hide- refute- revert- dispute- disrupt- discredit anyone and anything that does not conform to their total version of 'always has been Polish (and if it wasn't then darn-it- it should have been'.

Therefore, anyone, who is used to reading reputable books and documents and knows the facts, can only wonder in amazement about the never ending 'historical fantasy spins and twists' the PPPOVers come up with.

Labbas 8 December 2006


[edit] edits to Berlin

Your recent edit to Berlin looks nice (diff, but you'll have to come up with source for the history of the city name... and the rest of your added facts for that matter. You removed a sourced explanation originating from the Polabian language and replaced it with your own. By all means, find one and offer a differing view.. Best.. good luck with your PPPOV nemeses ∴ here…♠ 07:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. The info I had input is from Die Chronik Berlins, Chronik Verlag Harenberg Kommunikations und Mediengesellschaft Dortmund 1986

I noticed, there is too much stuff added/changed afterwards, I do not have time to look at it now. The PPPOV is pretty much a deep sink hole, or deep manure pit - Trying to keep it just a little bit reasonable is never-ending. Oh well- greeting. Labbas 10 December 2006 - Re-entered info on Berlin twice http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Berlin&diff=prev&oldid=93630857

[edit] Berolina - Berlin Bär

Berlin Bär = Bear Old High German Althochdeutsch Bero = Bär - English bear , also brown IE Indo-European Indo-Germanic bher-os = brown

OHG Bero http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:ysJ8JO8NUCwJ:www.vornamenlexikon.de/jb-vornamen.htm+althochdeutsch+bero&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6)

The lack of basic knowledge shown at wikipedia is truly frightening.

None of these sources you keep adding shows any connection between the Germanic word for "bear" and the name of the city "Berlin". The fact that the bear has been the symbol of the city since the 13th century doesn't prove it either. All serious sources agree that the name is of Slavic origin; the association with bears comes through folk etymology. Please stop adding misinformation to Wikipedia. —Angr 06:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Berolina - Berlin Bär (Berlin Bear)

Main article: History of Berlin

The name Berlin is connected to the Berlin Bär (English: Bear) (Old High German: Bero, thus the name Berolina, Angle Saxon: Bera , Indo-Germanic-Indo-European: bher-os) emblem, used as Berlin's Sigilum since the 13th century in conjunction with the Brandenburg Eagle. On a document of 1280 two upright bears are depicted. The varying Berlin sigilum over the centuries depict the Brandenburg Eagle together with the Berlin Bear, later usually one instead of the earlier two. This is probably due to the single city, which developed from the earlier twin cities.

In 1231 the Ascanian Brandenburg Margraves, brothers Johann I. and Otto III. received at Ravenna from Emperor Frederick II the Mark Brandenburg. At the same time the emperor verified the Brandenburg margraves Lien over Pomerania. Since the death of the young margraves father, Margrave Albrecht II. in 1220, the emperor held Brandenburg untill the boys became of age (17 and 16). One of the Margraviate's seats was at the site of the future Berlin at the river Spree.

The first written mention of towns in the area of present-day Berlin dates from the late 12th and early 13th century. Spandau is first mentioned in 1197, the inner towns of Berlin-Cölln (remembered in Neukölln), in the center Berlin and to the right the estate of the Brandenburg margraves started to be built about 1200. All three are at a different arm of the river and are connected by bridges. Köpenick is documented in 1209, though it and Spandau both did not join Greater Berlin until 1920. The central part of Berlin-Cölln is about at todays Fisher Island). It was first mentioned in a 1237 document, and Berlin (across the Spree in the area of what is now called the Nikolaiviertel) in one from 1244. From the beginning, the twin cities formed an economic and social unit. In 1307, the two cities were united into one. Over time, the twin cities came to be known simply as Berlin, the larger of the pair and the other parts as districts of Berlin.

The name Berlin is connected to the Berlin Bär (bear) emblem, which for the first time was used on a document in 1280. Before that only the Brandenburg Read eagle was shown. Dr. Theodor Zell , Naturforscher scientist studied secret nature trails of wildlife. His book Geheimpfade der Natur placed such a crossing, the only wildlife crossing across arms of the Spree river banks at the very place were first Coelln, then Berlin was founded. 200 other cities or towns in Germany have names relating to bears, over a hundred are named after swine or bore and a number after the wolf. Lately it also has become fashionable to sport the idea , that Berlin may be related to the Old Polabian stem berl-/birl- "swamp".[1] +

The fact is, that the Berlin Bär is continuously used as emblem on the sigilum seal of Berlin from 1280 . That showed two upright bears (for the twin cities), and later depictions show one bear.

Berlin Hoheitszeichen Wappengeschichte

Berliner Bär Siegel - Berlin Bear Sigillum Seals

More Information on Berliner Bär [[1]]

Berlin Bär - Bear statement in question:

The name Berlin, which is pronounced /bə(r)ˈlɪn/ in English and /bɛɐˈliːn/ (help·info) in German, is of uncertain origin, but may be related to the Old Polabian stem berl-/birl- "swamp".[13]

One only has to look at the foundation of Berne, a city founded in the same era and also in the Holy Roman Empire at that time, which is named after the German name for bear, to realize the oddness of the previous exclusive statement insisted on at wikipedia.

Verona was also previously known as Bern, so was Bonn.

For more information on the Bär (bear) as city arms of Berlin and Berne, both Imperial cities at that time see:

Heraldry of Berne

According to some at wikipedia, all these people for many centuries did not know what they were taking about. Only Lear and Angr have total knowledge and insist on nothing else but that Berlin and therefore Berne's city names are Polabian.

The nonsence insisted on by some at Wikipedia is mindboggling. You can go ahead and continue keeping the Berlin and History of Berlin articles hostage. I will refrain.

[edit] Regards reversions and pat on the back

====Regarding reversions[2] made on {{subst:currentmonth}} {{subst:currentday}} {{subst:currentyear}} (UTC) to Andreas Gryphius==== Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. If this is an IP address, and it is shared by multiple users, ignore this warning, but aviod making any reverts within 24 hours of this warning in order to avoid any confusion. ST47Talk 19:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi there,

let me pat you on the back and thank you for sending a reminder at the 2. correction I had to make on Space Cadets never-ending reverts. This is really 'being on the ball', sending a message at the 2. rev.

Would you now please be so kind and remove the ) after Gdańsk at: Peter Crüger or Peter Krüger (Polish: Piotr Krüger, 1580—1639) was a German mathematician, astronomer and polymath who spend most of his life in the Hanse city of Danzig, (since 1945 Peter Crüger or Peter Krüger (Polish: Piotr Krüger, 1580—1639) was a German mathematician, astronomer and polymath who spend most of his life in the Hanse city of Danzig, (since 1945 Gdańsk), Poland).Poland).

Thank you - (Update- was done by Space Cadet).

[edit] Nicolaus Copernicus

Hello, controversial edits to Nicolaus Copernicus (and elsewhere, too) need to be referenced with sources. Also, an edit summary should explain why an edit is made. Please be patient, make changes only one by one, and don't re-revert when you have been reverted - many users watch this page, and consent is needed. Also, think about registering a username. Thanks in advance. -- Matthead discuß!     O       00:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I appreciate your message. My text, which keeps getting removed, contained a large number of references.

I came across the conversation with MaxVeers about Copernicus name. That is when I noticed a large amount of info on Wikipedia article Nicolaus Copernicus is missing. I made MaxVeers aware of it and tried to update the article. Obviously a number of wikipedia editors do not want a lot of (f)actual information and keep reverting, removing it, thereby slanting facts and thus the false assumptions by wikipedia readers such as MaxVeers, who wrote the following:

The article never clearly states that Copernicus was born with the name Mikołaj Kopernik, or that Copernicus is his latinized name. Where can this information be integrated? ' '::Okay, I think we can at least assert that he wasn't born with a Latin name. Does anyone dispute this? User:MaxVeers|MaxVeers 20:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


I did put the following references to further information about Copernicus on the talk page, for MaxVeers to read:


Dear MaxVeers, Please look at older discussions.There have been a lot of facts about Copernicus posted at wikipedia, which get routinely removed in order to make it appear like Copernicus was Polish born Mikolaj Kopernik. The wiki talk archives show much of this information, such as [3] which can all be found on goggle.com. Keeping regular Kirchenbuch (church records) birth (baptism), marriage, death were only started with the Protestant Reformation, thus the records for the German language Prussian Hanseatic cities of Thorn (Torun) and Frauenburg (Frombork) were only started after Copernicus. His mother Barbara Watzenrode, and other relatives of Prince-Bishop Lucas Watzenrode were long time burghers of the Hanse city Thorn in Prussia and Nicolaus Koppernigk's father's name was Nicolas. Koppernigk is the name of the town in Silesia (Holy Roman Empire), where the father's side came from. One also went to Krakow, which in the 15th century was also a Hanse city, where German craftsmen established businesses and churches. That is, where Copernicus studied for a time. Copernicus, staunchly catholic and a church man certainly would have had his name in Latin on a birth or death certificate. As you can see from the archives (mentioned above) Copernicus was always referred to as Borussus Mathematicus, Prussian Mathematician, because the country he was born in, where he worked and died, was Prussia. One thing for sure, his records definately did not say: born Mikolai.

Labbas 6 January 2007


message to sciurinae , moved here

Sciurinae, you forgot to specifically ask for English language sources, which is required at wikipedia, normally.

By now everyone seems to have gotten it, that Serafin/131.. and many Polish people insist on Dzierzon (or other people) as Polish, after all he was born in terrritory, that is 'Polish' now.

This intolerance and disregard for any other citizenship or affiliation is shown over and over at wikipedia by many Polish people.

The Polish law on Citizenship seems to supports something like this attitude. While dual citizenship is tolerated, no other citizenship than Polish is recognized. Poland only recognizes a dual citizenship person as being only Polish.

Johann Dzierzon was not born in Poland. His father, grandfather, etc were not born in Poland. They were all born in Lowkowitz, Silesia, Prussia, Germany.

The person Johann Dzierzon on Wikipedia is now Jan Dzierżon, completely overloaded with Polish-language sources. Many of those are already in the bottom references, so now we have the same Polish 'sources' plastered onto Dzierzon double or triple times.

Seems like complete overkill and against Wikipedia policy.

No wonder Encyclopedia Britannica reflects this kind of overload . Labbas 13 January 2007

[edit] Sign your posts

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Hi Philip, I always sign my posts, if I forgot somewhere, I am sorry. I did temporarily add and remove a number of texts in discussions. perhaps I overlooks , signing for each one each time. I have noticed that lately a number of vandals seem to keep hitting, particularly the topics hit by 131/Serafin. I am standing back (wait and see) till these hits stop. Let me commend you for trying to keep it under lid. Best wishes. Labbas 18 January 2007



[edit] Your edits to Nicholas von Renys

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Hello Shadowbot, That seems to be a respectable Polish Heraldry site with reference to the Rogala (clan) name. I had re-added it to external links before I saw this message. If is gets rejected again, I will not re-enter it. Thanks for your message. Labbas 21 January 2007

[edit] Nikolaus von Renys and Rogala clan claims

Nicolas, Nichola(u)s, Nikolaus [4] is in Polish sources called Mikolaj Rynska of "Rogala clan". This wesite identifies Heraldry Snobbery and a number of cases of Document Falsifications in Polish Heraldry.

Heraldry Snobbery and Document Falsification

Banners at Battle of Tannenberg (Grunwald) see # 178 Nicholaus von Renys

Rogala clan ? - [5] = Rogala (Saxony) origin