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[edit] Action Park

Please stop screwing up Action Park. The article is properly sourced and has been stable for a long time. Your changes are unsourced, which is why I've been removing them. --Tkynerd 01:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

The changes I made were completely accurate. I grew up local to the park and held several jobs there over many including ski patrol (at the ski area in the winter) First-Aid worker, life guard, and supervisor to the cliffs area. The first aid office used to be located right next tot he security office and the security guards used to cut through our office as aback enterance and hang out there a lot. The two departments worked very closely together. Your article, besides having an incredibly slanted tone, has several blatant factual errors. including but not limited to:

1) The ski area never had a gondola. The alpine slide ran under the lower half of the main ski lift known as "the Blue Lift" (Vernon Valleys lifts were color coded).

2) The Kayak ride as in Motor World.

3) It was called Motor World, not motoworld.

4) The driving of Lola cars on route 94 was an urban legend that never actually happened. They did have to be taken across a smaller side street from time to time and some of the mechanics were known to ocassionally drive short distances up and down it.

5) The person did not get stuck in the loop due to a lack of water pressure. The tube had maybe an inch of water in it. She stuck her arms and legs out to brace herself and so lost the speed needed to make it around. The hatch was built at the bottom of the loop for this reason.

6) No other ride let out into the cliffs area and no swimmers other than those who had jumped off of a cliff were allowed into that part of the pool. People were sometimes suprised at how close to them people following them off of the cliffs landed. The bottom was painted after someone went down and was immediately noted to not come up. The lifeguards organised a search line but could notfind him in time against the dark botton of the 20 foot deep pool. Painting it had been suggested prior to that but the management did not want to ruin the natural appearancew of the swimming hole.

7) Altering the governors on the go-carts was not hard and had nothing to do with tennis balls. All you had to do was turn the right screw. The staff kept one or two "ungoverned" carts to one side and would use them themselves and loan them out to people they liked. They didn't go all that much faster than the others - maybe 30 mph if the others were going 20mph. The ride was fairly safe with very few riders getting hurt. usually when they did it involved hands getting crushed outside of the cars, inner thighs getting bruised or cut on the steering column during collisions, or employees getting their ankles whacked when they ventured out on the tracks.

There are others. I would love to go through the article with you and make it more factually correct if not impart a less biased tone. I could add a lot more personal anecdotes. If you are really interested in accuracy you will take me up on the offer. If not, well then.....

P.S. about your sources - as you admit in the discussion section some of them are not themselves very well referenced. Some of them are wrong.

Anyway - if you want to take me up on it I'm Christopher Ish c_ish at comcast dot net.

BTW - you should take down the "abandoned" link - as other links from that site show it is also misleading.

As User:Daniel Case made clear to you at Talk:Action Park, all of that is original research and is not permitted on Wikipedia. Only material from reliable published sources may be included; the standard is verifiability.
Also, you need to sign your posts like this: ~~~~. --Tkynerd 13:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

OK - I'm trying to work with you guys on this. I understand the desire for references on as many things as possible. I do think more recognition of the fact that a person with direct knowledge of a topic, especially one not extensively written about elsewhere like this one, might have worthy contributions that do not appear in print elsewhere would be good too. I think the idea that it is OK if something is wrong as long as it is someone esle's fault is a little odd. One would think that accuracy would make the top three priorities of an encyclopedia but I don't really intend to debate the matter here with you. That would would be truly pointless. I am working on getting things so that they will meet the NOR standard but that will take some time if it happens at all.

I am curious about one thing after reading more about the Wikipedia policies and standards. Do you really think this article meets the NPOV standard? I'm sure the statements that I think are questionable all appear in print somewhere so there is no need to point out that they are verifiable. That is not what I am asking. 69.255.59.191 05:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)Chris

[edit] Corrections.

I used to work there and could help clear up several mistakes in the piece. In the messages section I made a long reply the author. Hopefully he will work with me on it. Chris Ish. c_ish at comcast dot net.


[edit] Email

Hey, I'm not involved in the above dispute and I haven't even seen the page in question, but I did want to alter your email so that bots that crawl the internet looking for email addresses don't find yours and send you mountains of spam. If you want to, you could create an account (which is free and no more hassle than choosing a username and password and typing them in) and you can enable an email address that people can use. Having a username has other perks too, like having a watchlist. Let me know on my talk page if you have any questions or want to discuss anything. delldot | talk 02:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your note

Thanks for the note! Sure, I'm glad to take a look at it. Unfortunately, It's after midnight my time, so I'll have to do it tomorrow. I do indeed have some experience with NPOVing articles, but I have zero experience with the dispute resolution process. However, hopefully we can work it out before it gets to that anyway. And if not, we can learn together :) delldot | talk 05:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I just left a mountain of comments at Talk:Action Park#Comments. Hope you didn't get more than you bargained for! Keep in touch, delldot | talk 21:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)