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[edit] Hudson River School

Frankly I did not agree with you deletion of that edit and link, however I should have left you an explanation, I agree. Modernist (talk) 13:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vermont republic

Hello unregistered user at IP address 69.230.120.39. I have edited the article over the past months to make clear that we see little 18th century use of the term "Vermont Republic, or Republic of Vermont. We however see several variations of the passage "VERMONS. RES. PUBLICA," and "VERMONTENSIUM. RES. PUBLICA" on coins Vermont issued while independent. The Latin is faulty, Vermont being an invented word. But it is not too great a leap to read Res Publica as republic.

Further, a brief investment of time reading through the edit history, will reveal a clear effort by at least three editors to take the article away from a farcical myth that would be pleasing to the Second Vermont Republic advocates and to better explain the period between Vermont's birth in 1777 and admission to the United States.

Use of the term Vermont Republic does exist outside of wikipedia, and predates wikipedia, and the Internet entirely. Robert Doyle's Vermont Political Tradition book uses the term, as does the Vrest Orton title, and Frederic Van de Water's "The Reluctant Republic: Vermont 1724–1791." Among others. These are not separatist types, and all are more than 20 years old.

I do not like to see this period in Vermont's history cited as a reason for Vermont's future secession. I think you'd find each of the referenced authors are trying to make sense of exactly what Vermont was in that pre-admission period. The 1777 constitution declares independence. From who? It seems primarily the British provinces of New York and New Hampshire, but it repelled Quebec forces too. Few argue that this period of the states history in unimportant. Many claim that it is a primary influence on the culture of the state after admission.

You'll find additional discussion about how to present this article on the discussion page of the main Vermont article.

Several of us have wondered what to call this. Vermont (independent state) has been discussed. But here we are authoring something that does not appear in literature or a google search. There is no argument, Vermont was not a U.S. state previous to 1791. It had declared independence, and had a representational form of government, pretty much the hallmarks of a republic. Even Vermont's state archives, no supporters of secession, sometimes refer to the 1777 constitution as the republic constitution to distinguish that document from its later amended versions. The article clearly shows that Vermont was in a strange place, hoping for admission, but not yet a part of the U.S.

Spraying a host of citation requests across this article is to this editor's view neither helpful or assumes good faith. CApitol3 (talk) 05:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)