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[edit] Regarding your edits on gang names in List of gangs in Grand Theft Auto series

You are invited to participate in this discussion regarding names. The lack of edit summaries render your removal of older or original names unjustified and have been reverted repeatedly. An immediate compromise is appreciated. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 19:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC) ╫

Btw, sorry if the tone of this message is somewhat rude. I was in a hurry. :) ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 20:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC) ╫

[edit] New discussion

A new discussion has been brought up regarding you edits in List of gangs in Grand Theft Auto series. Your participation is greatly welcome. Thanks. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 19:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC) ╫

Please participate in the above mentioned talk page discussion before reverting edits, or your edits will be reverted, based on justifications provided in the talk page. The lack of communication is only counterproductive in your part. Thanks. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 20:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC) ╫

[edit] Edits in Talk:List of gangs in Grand Theft Auto series

I noticed that you edited someone else's comment. As a rule, refrain from editing others' comments without their permission, since it is not terribly productive and will tend to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. For more details, see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Thanks. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 20:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC) ╫


Warning
Please do not edit other people's comments, as you did at Talk:List of gangs in Grand Theft Auto series. It is considered vandalism, and you may be Blocked from editing Wikipedia if you continue in this manner. Even if you don't like their opinion, please be civil and remember that they are entitled to it.


BishopTutu 23:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't create screen names to make it appear as if people are agreeing with you. It's illegal and I think you can get blocked for it. BishopTutu 03:42, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Thank you. I'd chill out if i were you... BishopTutu 21:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Editing comments is against the rules, but seeing as I didn't edit the content of your messages, I'm not breaking a rule; people still can understand, completely, the content of your messages, as you posted it. BishopTutu 21:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GTA 1 Information

"Vercotti" crime family in GTA is not the same Vercetti Gang in VC, so that info is invalid. BishopTutu 06:32, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

First off, I haven't broken any rules whatsoever, so you can't snitch on me for anything, anyways. As for GTA 1 mentioning the Vercetti family, that's not true. That's why I said the "Vercotti crime family," which is more than likely who you mistaken for the Vercetti Gang, is not the Vercetti Gang. No one in the GTA 3 era is mentioned in GTA 1 except for maybe a few people. BishopTutu 23:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Once again, I have broken absolutely no rules. Even if a "Vercetti crime family" was mentioned in GTA 1, both GTA 1 and 2 have ben retconned. That info is irrelevant to GTA 3 era events. Second, Vercetti Gang is also said by the Kaufman cab lady when you obtain it, as well as being on the stats' screen. NO ONE in VC says "Vercetti Family" OR "Vercetti crime family." I don't recall Ken ever saying anything about a "Vercetti crime family" on the radio in SA either. BishopTutu 03:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
The last, and only, time I broke a rule was when I talked bad about someone (which I'm pretty confident was you); I've already been reprimanded for that, so that's off in the past. As for the subject at hand, first off, Ken, when referring to the "mobs," he's only talking about the fact that the Liberty City mobs have been trying to kill him from Vice City to San Andreas; we wasn't talking about the Vercetti Gang. For all we know, Ken hasn't had any major trouble with the Vercetti gang. As for the XBox and PS2 versions of SA, they are exactly the same. Just because the same "mob" statement also appears in the PS2 version does not make it true. It's still highly plausible that it's an error. I'm also sure that the same "OGF" statements CJ makes are in the PS2 version. Like I said, they are exactly the same. I never heard anyone talking on the radio about Vice City or a "mob." As for Tommy being a child from the mob...like I've said before, you won't listen: she meant he's a child from the mob because he used to be with the Forelli Mob. Also, I've even gone so far as to look at scripts for the games and I haven't seen anything about a "mob" in any of them. BishopTutu 05:15, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I'll gladly provide you with the links to the scripts:


Here you go. BishopTutu 18:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
You haven't proven anything yet; all of the info that you've posted to try to "prove" your claims is either non-existent or is information that you've tried to use incorrectly; for example, that thing you said about the black patriot and Darkel getting in and driving off at the end of GTA 3? That's pure BS; first off, the black patriot appears at the beginning of the game and, even then, NO ONE is driving it; Darkel does not even appear at the end. Also, Maria does not pull out a gun at the end of GTA 3. There is nothing in here hand; I've watched the video, so I know that she doesn't. I've even zoomed in on it to check. Plus, I've provided you with scripts on what everyone says in practically every game from GTA 3 up. Like I've said, get some verifiable references if you want to post a good argument. BishopTutu 20:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I've recently reviewed the script to GTA 3 and I've discovered that, yet again, your information is wrong. These are Salvatore's exact words: "If you do this for me, you will be a made man, anything you want." He never says that he was going to have a "made man' ceremony. He merely says that he will be able to get anything he wants. BishopTutu 21:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm not hard to convince, if something someone says is backed up by good evidence, and, if that information is only in the early version of the game, that proves even more that it's irrelevant. I don't need to shut up because I'm actually talking about information that I have proven with evidence; basically all your saying is stuff you think or, at least, wish was true. I've stated time and time again why Claude is not in the Mafia, but, because it's not what you want to hear, you don't believe me. I've stated time and time again why the Vercetti Gang is not a Mafia family, but, because it's not what you want to hear, you don't believe me. You haven't proven one thing you've said to be true with good hard evidence. Like I said before, it's okay. When the page is unprotected and you try to keep making changes, It'll, eventually, get you blocked. In the end, all will be resolved. BishopTutu 00:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Also, I forgot to add, just because Salvatore said they "were going to celebrate" DOES NOT MEAN HE WAS GOING TO BE MADE. This was almost as bad as that time with you and the Hitman: Blood Money fiasco. BishopTutu 00:53, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
"Made man" is also a slang term, roughly meaning "one who has no troubles in their lives." An example: "After I get this high-paying job at Microsoft, I'll be a made man; I'll be able to pay all my debt off, then I won't have anything to worry about anymore." It's highly possible that Salvatore simply meant he would take good care of him, that is, give him a lot of money, or something to that effect; basically, he more that likely meant he'd make him rich and powerful, not necessarily put him in the Mob. BishopTutu 21:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
In that case, you may be correct; he, possibly, was going to be made, but he was never in the Mafia; that can't be proven. BishopTutu 22:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Associates, who are people not of Italian descent and not part of the Mafia, are people, like previously stated, not part of the Mafia that work for them; because they are never made, they can't be considered part of the Mafia. Before you go on trying to say that Claude was made, think about it: when did GTA 3 ever show Claude being made. If it was even going to occur, it never did; Salvatore got paranoid of Claude messing with Maria first. BishopTutu 17:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

acording to Salvatore he said that if he did that Brain job that almost would cost his life he said hed have his Made man ceramony at Sex Club 7 and remeber Toni??? he was a Capo and when he killed a man for i have no idea he left to lay low and comes to notice when he came back Vencenso toke over his postion and Sal accely got his rank to a low Accoset (dont make fun of my spelling im not a lil kid im older just cant spell) but Ton i made his come back by doing missions and dirty jobs for people and killing the Mayor is what got him Made again.

First off, reply on my talk page; who says that I'll actually look at your page for your reply? Second, they merely said "they would celebrate," which are Salvatore's exact words. Thats all he said; he never said he would have Claude made. Don't make assumptions. Plus, Toni is a special case: he was already made prior to the killing; Claude was never part of the Mafia. Plus, I feel Claude entering the Mafia would be a major plot point, and more attention would have been placed on it in the storyline. Like I just said, don't make assumptions; you have to provide concrete evidence to support your claims. Maybe now, since I've said, maybe, the millionth time now, you'll actually do it. BishopTutu 07:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
IT WAS NEVER SAID THAT HE WOULD HAVE HIS MADE MAN CEREMONY. HE JUST SAID THEY WOULD CELEBRATE CLAUDE'S COMPLETION OF THE MISSION. YOU WON'T ADMIT IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR. BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH IT, EVEN WHEN SOMEONE PROVES SOMETHING, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU HAVE TO DISAGREE. Like I said, if you make such edits when protection comes down, it will eventualy get you blocked. BishopTutu 01:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Your anger amuses me. Like I've said, I've never broken a rule except when I first started out, while you, on the other hand, have sock puppeted, that is, you've created another screen name for the purpose of using it to make your claims more credible by making it appear as if other people believe what you say. The fact of the matter is that, though the Truth does say "mob," there are multiple accounts of people in-game in VC referring to it as "Vercetti Gang." It is also impossible to just up-and-make a Mafia family; like I've said before, the Mafia is an extremely old secret society founded on strict rules and regulations. It's impossible to simply create a true Mafia family. But, whatever, you won't listen. You never do; all you do is find little quotes within the game to try to support your claims, some quotes that don't even exist. It's cool. It's becoming entertainment for me, now, anyways, so, whatever. I can't wait to hear what you have to say next. BishopTutu 21:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, it so pains me to prove one of your assumptions wrong again: I won't say anything else except give you this link about your mob statement. Perhaps you should look at it and check all of "mob's" possible meanings. BishopTutu 21:32, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, yeah. That link proves your "mob took over" VC statements false, too, as far as it meaning "Mafia." BishopTutu 21:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


man what are you talking about all i said was you know what just play GTA:SA get to San Ferrio and play the mission Ware Flowers in your hair and afther the cut scene The Truth will say i know this guy his name is Dwaine he used to work at a boat Yard in Vice till the Mob bought it over now he worls at a gas Station its the truth see it for your self youll be surpised promise not screwing up this time then youll come back saying Vercetti gang has just left the building and Vercetti Crime Family is the true name

Reply on my page, first off. And second, if you would have clicked the link and read the page, you would have discovered that "mob" can mean a GENERAL CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS WHAT VERCETTI HAS. That refutes all of your evidence pertaining to "mob" quotes made by game characters. It's Vercetti GANG because that's the named used in VC and it's a criminal organization. If you don't understand now, then you're just being stupid. BishopTutu 03:14, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I didn't call you stupid. I said your being stupid, if you don't understand now. I never directly called you stupid. Vercetti crime family is never used in SA. "Vercetti" is barely used, except maybe once. You don't have anymore "proof" to support your claims now, do you? BishopTutu 16:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

man your making it harder on me 2 find more clues im playing all the missions in Sandreas through though ill find some proof if i bump into 1 all i know is i drove crazy in the part where you kill Jizzy and a guy yelled out from his car stop driving crazy like that cat from Vice City i think hes talking about Tommy what do you think.

Reply on my page. Like I said: "Vercetti" is never used. BishopTutu 20:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


man im sorry for flipping on you but i did find this out in the LV era Wozzie and CJ calls the 3 Crime Families Mobs and Mobters witch means that The Vercetti Crime Family are a mob but well still keep Vercetti Gangstas as the name

[edit] I Know Who You Are

I know you connect to the Internet using Road Runner, which gives you different IPs. You need to chill out or you'll get blocked. BishopTutu 21:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I've traced 3 IPs that all lead up to the same location and have done similar edits. I'm quite confident it was you. Plus, you can't block me, just like I can't block you; I just said that it could in the end because a Administrator could find out and block you. And about recent edits, you have to provide a reference, not just because "GTA fans will beleave me." I'm a GTA fan, and I'm not going to believe it until you post a verifiable reference. BishopTutu 02:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Like I've said, you have nothing to snitch on me for, and, if that info you post is the truth, which it's not because I've checked, find a reference that states such information. I also never said I was going to snitch; I just said an administrator could find out about it and block you. BishopTutu 20:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I've warned you, man, but you won't listen. BishopTutu 15:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
This is funny, man. Keep this up. BishopTutu 19:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Thank you. I've warned you before about personal attacks. BishopTutu 19:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

This is your last warning. If you continue to make personal attacks, you will be blocked for disruption. BishopTutu 20:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I never started anything. Everything I've done is within Wikipedia's rules. YOU started this, because something was happening that you didn't like. BishopTutu 21:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

This user's request to have the autoblock on his/her IP address lifted has been DECLINED.

Autoblocked because your IP address was recently used by "Butterrum". The reason given for Butterrum's block is: "Revert warring and personal attacks".

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Sorry, too much vandalism from this IP address. In order to avoid being lumped in with vandals in the future, please register an account once the block expires. -- Yamla 22:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)