User talk:69.15.97.161

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[edit] AtHomeNet

In response to your comment on the AtHomeNet debate on its debate page. I read the new protocol on being tougher on "vanity listings". I feel that since Athomenet has been around for almost 10 years, and the coverage be it not as often, reflects that the market and the nptability of that market has grown over that time. Would you suggest an edit to a wikipedia article on the subject of community websites with mentions on some of the top pioneering companies on it as a starting point? I think the market for this product should not be ignored, nor the contributions of the people whose companies and internet development and research pioneered this project. The fact is, this company was the 1st natiowide company to exclusively develop and explore thus standardize this industry. What would it take for this article to be deemed universally notable, in specific terms? Thank you. ---69.15.97.161 (talk) 19:03, 26 December 2007 (UTC)Edenrage

I think the real problem here is that your underlying question is the often-heard cry: "how can I (or my band, company, team or whatever) get to be notable if you won't let me into Wikipedia?" - to which the answer is: that isn't the right way round, Wikipedia isn't an advertising service, it's an encyclopedia. First you do whatever it is you do well enough to become well known, then people are writing about you, then there are enough independent external sources to make an article - and probably someone unconnected may be interested enough to write it, which is another good indicator of notability - if only the company itself or its agents want an article, that suggests that the right place is a trade directory rather than an encyclopedia.
Your specific questions:
What would it take for this article to be deemed universally notable, in specific terms?
See WP:NOTE and WP:CORP and WP:WEB. Those are the guidelines that will be applied in any debate about whether the subject of an article is notable.
Would you suggest an edit to a wikipedia article on the subject of community websites with mentions on some of the top pioneering companies on it as a starting point?
That would be one approach, but you would have to be careful (a) that you could provide reliable, independent sources so that the article "on the subject of community websites" did not seem to be original research, and (b) that there was enough "meat" to the article that it did not seem to be just an advertising "link farm" - see WP:LINKS and WP:SPAM.
One last point: in the AfD debate, you remarked "I appreciate this forum to debate this topic, and I wish that users like me as well as editors could all weigh in... " AfD debates are open to all, there's no distinction between "editors" and "ordinary users", I am an "ordinary user" who saw the debate and thought of a point to make, and you were indeed able to weigh in - at considerable length. The final AfD decision is made by an administrator, but he makes it on the basis of the arguments presented in the debate.
JohnCD (talk) 16:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)