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Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. GabrielF 21:09, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

You have been temporarily blocked from editing for vandalism of Wikipedia. If you wish to make useful contributions, you may come back after the block expires. SlimVirgin (talk) 22:05, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Block

You have been temporarily blocked from editing for vandalism of Wikipedia. If you wish to make useful contributions, you may come back after the block expires. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:02, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Christian Nazis?

How about we add something like this to the page on Nazism or Adolf Hitler:

Most, if not all of the Nazis were Christians. Hitler himself was baptised a Catholic.
This resulted in many millions more deaths attributable to the Christian faith.

How about this to [[Oliver Cromwell]:

A group of entirely Protestant followers of Oliver Cromwell executed the king, leading to
the rise of the Spanish Inquisition.

Your additions to the Bolshevik article are just as ridiculous. The Nazis, and anti-semites before and since, hate Jews whether they're Commies, Capitalists, Democrats, Republicans, Film-makers, Corner-shop owners, rich, poor, middle-class, etc. etc. etc.

You state "20m deaths by Jewish Bolshevism, 13m by German Nazism". Why not "Christian Nazism"? Also, the commies were in charge for 74 years, the nazis for 12.

Camillus (talk) 19:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-Jewish ideas predated the rise of the Bolsheviks

Yes, it is irrational to assume that the Nazis "all of a sudden rooted up from the ground and started blaming Jews for everything". However, no-one says that. The Nazis came from a long, long tradition of "blaming the Jews for everything", stretching back to the days of Christ, through Martin Luther, through pogroms throughout Europe, including Russia. Even Karl Marx made statements against the Jews that many people now-a-days would consider anti-semitic. Stalin too has been recorded as making ant-semitic asides, alluding to the fact that many of the Mensheviks were Jews, and later, making the sly observation that many of the leaders of the Left Opposition were Jews. The Nazis rise to power was facilitated by Stalin's ultra-left policy of Social fascism, where he believed that the communist revolution was just around the corner, that the Nazis where a passing fad, and that the main enemy in Germany was the Social-Democrats. Reading Mein Kampf, it is clear that Hitler's hatred of the Jews pre-dated the Russian revolution.

While it may be true that their were many Jews in the leadership of the Bolshevik party, it is also true that there were many Jews among those who opposed the Bolsheviks.

You quote Churchill, who is remembered for many statements that many modern listeners would find abhorrent. But the thing that most people remember him for is his staunch opposition towards the Nazis, and his alliance with those nasty Bolsheviks, which ended in Nazi-Germany's annihilation.

In the quote, Churchill mentions Trotsky, Zinoviev, and Radek - interesting to note that all of them where executed or murdered by Stalin's regime before Germany launched its war on the Soviet Union.

You mention Stalin's "Jewish" wives. Unlike you, I, and many others, believe that the ethnic background of a man's wife is rather irrelevant. Also, regarding his "third wife" and other quotations from "The Wolf of the Kremlin", I will reserve judgement, as the authenticity of this book has been questioned, the Kaganovich family even stating that the author is not a relation at all, and that Rosa Kaganovich is a figment of the imagination.

Your statement:

Why don't ["normal Jews"] join good-minded people and oppose the murderous, bloody past of
their relatives, instead of always try to be the victim even in a discussion of their relatives 
MURDERING over 20 million people!

Are we to blame all modern Germans for the "13 million" (your figure) killed by the Nazis? Many people alive today actually do have "relatives" (fathers, grand-fathers) who took part in the Nazi's murderous regime. Do we blame the son for the sins of the father? Are people of German ancestry, in America and throughout the world, to be blamed for the actions of their "relatives"?

You may have noticed that I have not reverted your edits again. I have a policy of never breaking the 3RR. I am not completely against the mention of the existence of Jews in the Bolsheviks, but object to your description of this as being the reason the Nazis came to power, when the reality is that anti-Jewish ideas long predated the rise of the Bolsheviks, and that the Nazis may have come to power, and launched their campaign against the Jews, even if there had been not a single Jew in the Russian party.

Incidentally, I am not Jewish, I am not a communist, and I imagine if I had been around in Stalin's Russia, I would have ended up dying in Siberia, or if in Hitler's Germany, I would probably have died in Dachau.

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Camillus (talk) 16:21, 11 January 2006 (UTC)