User talk:68.38.148.76

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Please do not put links off to bands' individual songs in Wikipedia articles. While some bands' articles do have that, those that do are better-known bands than this, and the files are hosted at Wikimedia. Also, please do not copy and paste their bios from record labels or other websites; this is a copyright violation. --Idont Havaname 17:05, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Again, please stop putting links to your website in band articles. This appears to be self-promotion, which is considered vandalism. If you continue to do this in the future, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Idont Havaname 20:58, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you insert a commercial link you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --JYolkowski // talk 22:19, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

You have been temporarily blocked from editing Wikipedia for linking to commercial sites. If you wish to make useful contributions, you are welcome to come back after the block expires. --JYolkowski // talk 22:27, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I have permission from the artists as well as the labels to display this information, so it is not a question of copyright infringment. All links that have been posted are relevant to the pages that I am placing them in. If song links are not allowed, then please include that in your policy and enforce it across the board. If there is a problem with the way I am posting them, then please correct me. A link to an Altsounds.com profile is just as relevant as a link to an AllMusic posting, or some other such link. These links to band pages are 'useful contributions.' The only links directly to the Altsounds.com home page are used in instances where text information has been directly lifted and the source is being cited.- ME, Altsounds.com

    • Whether or not you're violating copyright is not why you were blocked. You were blocked for placing links to your website on more than 100 articles. I went to your site, and it looks cool and all... but Wikipedia is not the place to promote music sites. That's why none of our band articles (before what you did) link off to music download sites. They link off to artist homepages, and the artists (or their webmasters) decide which sites where they want to post their songs. It's obvious from Alexa rankings that your site's not up there with CNET, MP3.com, or Purevolume, so if we did include such links, it would be those because those are familiar names to our readers. Your edits appear to just be promotion for your website, which is in effect self-promotion - a form of vandalism - which is why you were blocked. If you want to make constructive contributions after your block expires, you're welcome to do that (I would recommend that you register a user account if you do that, though). --Idont Havaname 01:12, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
      • "That's why none of our band articles (before what you did) link off to music download sites." " It's obvious from Alexa rankings that your site's not up there with CNET, MP3.com, or Purevolume, so if we did include such links, it would be those because those are familiar names to our readers." So only huge sites can put commercial links all over Wikipedia, even though Wikipedia doesn't allow links to music sites? That doesn't make any sense. Where is the line between a valid artist link and a self-promoting commercial link? I would like clearer definitions if you could please. Also, is EVERYTHING I posted a violation? Or just some of it? I can understand deleting the links to songs...that's fine. But a link to the artists profile?? Come on. That's completely valid and in a number of these cases it is the ONLY place where you can freely access the artists music. On a few of these entries, I added all of the bio information as well as links to the artists official websites, etc. So, I don't understand the across the board deletion of everything I have entered. -altsounds.com
        • You misread what I told you. I said that if we included links to download sites, they would be the major ones. But as far as I have been able to tell, from having been here for 8 months and looked at hundreds of band articles, we don't include any of those. Sometimes we may include part of one song, but when we do that, the sound clip is hosted on Wikimedia. It's not an offsite link. (The article I was thinking of when I told you this the first time was Kraftwerk, but that sound clip has been taken down since I had last visited that article.) What a self-promoting link constitutes should be obvious. If you add a link to your own site to an article (and especially links to individual songs!), that's self-promotion. If you want to, you can register an account here and mention on your user page that you run Altsounds - that's completely fine, and I encourage it! But even famous people who edit here don't edit articles that are about themselves; they let other people do it so that their special interests do not creep into the article. Our founder did not write his own article either, because he didn't want it to be self-promotion. As for being the only place where it's possible to access the artist's music: if the artists wanted their music on the internet for free, then their official website would have that link. That job should be the artists', not ours. The bio information that you added was tagged as copyvio by other editors, since it is from the record label sites, and a few of those articles have made it onto VfD and are being worked on further (they will probably be kept, but in a different version). Generally speaking, the only sites that should have the same content as a Wikipedia article should be Wikipedia mirror sites. --Idont Havaname 20:11, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
        • Here is more information on our policies about Alexa. (I think it's relevant for you, since I noticed that there was an article created recently about Altsounds and tagged as copyvio by another user.) --Idont Havaname 20:11, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for not getting back to your e-mails before (just noticed them an hour ago), but to re-iterate what User:Idont havaname mentioned above, you were blocked for inserting a large number of links to your own site into Wikipedia, which is in violation of our external links policy. Your block should have expired now, but please read Wikipedia:External links before contributing further. Thanks, JYolkowski // talk 02:18, 13 July 2005 (UTC)


I don't get it. I have read your policies including the external links. Is it because I work for the site and I am putting it up that this is bad? Would it be better if I had someone else do it? If a fan site is perfectly acceptable, I don't understand why an artist profile is bad. If AllMusic pages can be listed, why not Altsounds? We like your site and we want to keep using it, but I am seriously NOT understanding what you guys are saying. You each seem to have different issues with Altsounds. (oh..and a side note...I have a log in for this site, I just didn't log in before I posted that. No shadiness..just overlooked)-altsounds


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   Adding inappropriate external links for self-promotion.

This is what is stated in your policies. How is putting a link to a bands altsounds profile containing valuable pictures, songs, band info, bio etc an innapropriate link?? It's not like we're linking to altsounds.com's main page expecting them to find there way to where they need to be. We are posting links directly to that bands profile so your users can find more information. What does Alexa ranking have to do with content relevance?? If a page is relevant to the article, it is relevant simple as. I am simply confused whole heartadly at what you guys are saying as you keep contradicting yourselves and it makes no sense.