User talk:68.230.100.197

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[edit] Supreme Commander - Australian GamePro Review

Hello 68.230.100.197, I've noticed that you have deleted or commented on the review by GamePro Australia present in the article Supreme Commander. The review is essential in that section, which aims to provide a non-biased view on how critics reviewed Supreme Commander. However, several allegations of a bribe by EA, or other fabrications of the review, are floating around the internet.

If such a thing is true, it should indeed be noted in the article, and/or the review should be removed. However, before taking action, a link from a reliable source is needed, which proves or even just states the allegations. If you can provide such a source, don't hesitate to state so on the talk page, or just edit the article. --User:Krator (t c) 22:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

First, to clear up some misconceptions, I have no 'deep hate' for the game, nor do I agree with GamePro Aus. I'm a fan of Supreme Commander, which is the reason I edit the article. However, I'm really cautious not to let the Wikipedia article seem like something written by a fan, but rather adhere to the neutral point of view. Some more responses to your points:
  • "I find it funny you say you want to give people the whole picture yet with the GameProAus review you are doing the opposite, if someone came here and only here to view the opinion of the press on Supreme Commander you would be led to believe the games press is split half and half, half the people love it half, the people hate the game which is not the case."
I'm afraid this is not my purpose - I plan to add a lot more reviews, but I've been busy with other things over the past weeks, which means I have little time to edit. I invite you to add more reviews, that'd be splendid. I know the press was very positive about SupCom, and the reception section should clearly reflect that. However, it would be quite bad to omit the GameProAus review, because it would seem rather biased to omit the single review that was negative about the game.
  • "Further more the review from GameProAus is factually incorrect and anyone who owns Supreme Commander knows this."
I own Supreme Commander, and I've been reading the forums and talking to people in game, and performance clearly is an issue. (read some threads in the official general discussion about it - can't cite those threads here though) GameProAus exaggerated it a lot, but the performance issues are not unheard of, nor does it run very smooth on the minimum system - a friend of mine just crashes every time we play on 20x20 with 1000 unit cap, though he meets the minimum reqs.
  • "it is also known the both MetaCritic And GameRankings pulled the GameProAus review from their sites."
Please give a link to an official statement where they say they're pulling the review from their sites - it would be great to cite that.!
I hope we can cooperate more on this article in the future, because it's good to have someone else with knowledge of the game around. --User:Krator (t c) 11:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Response 2

  1. Please sign your comments on my talk page with ~~~~.
  2. I cannot e-mail those sites, because Wikipedia has a policy against original research.
  3. Without references saying so, there is no reason to assume that GamePro Australia deliberately lied, just that they're exaggerating (like media often do). They do praise the game (the article quotes them saying the game is 'great') and address a point the other reviews I've read so far did not.
  4. You suggest using another review to address the performance instead. Please write on the article talk page which one you'd like to include instead, but don't just delete that review.

--User:Krator (t c) 13:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attacks

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. However, we remind you not to attack other editors, as you did here: User talk:Krator. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Waggers 08:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, I do not like that. Even more because it's not true - I've never played a CnC game, and I do like the game the article's about. --User:Krator (t c) 11:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)