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[edit] I want that guy removed from controling that page

I want to report that guy for taunting me first then... it shows preference. I want to demand someone neutral is placed in control of pages of that sort. Since this is such a fair and imparcial site, why put a british citizen in charge of the Malvinas discussion? it's like putting Saddamm Hussein in charge of his own discussion page, of course he will leave only good comments, and erase any and all opposing ones.

Absolute rubbuish! Yopu started everything here now I suggest you go away before I get you blocked (your rascist drivel is enough to block you forever) SqueakBox 00:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, enough of the personal attacks, both of you. Nobody is "in charge of" any article on Wikipedia; we are all expected to contribute in a neutral and unbiased fashion. What SqueakBox should have explained to you, without the unnecessary taunt, is that article talk pages are supposed to be used to talk about improvements to the article -- not to talk about your political opinions. You are as welcome to post to that article as anyone else. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 00:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I will stop with the personal insults, and I apologize for everything I said regarding his character, but not about the Malvinas..

Apology accepted, SqueakBox 00:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I had placed a well thought out, and pretty thorough comment on that page a long time ago, only to find out it was removed because of that bias I am talking about... I am looking for it now to show you. It had relevant links, and it showed proof of Argentinian sovereignty over the islands, also how Argentinians perceive a security threat by having the british so close.

You must have posted it from a different IP; there's no record of it from this IP. SqueakBox followed policy correctly by removing your comment from that talk page today, although he should have explained to you why it was being removed without the unnecessary comment he added in Spanish. We have a separate article, Sovereignty of the Falkland Islands, about the sovereignty dispute. You might want to start by reviewing it. Your contributions to these articles, and all articles, are very welcome on Wikipedia. We need input from all people to ensure we are getting a balanced perspective. But if you go back to those articles and continue to compare the British to Hitler, you're just going to end up being blocked, and that won't help any of us. Again, welcome to Wikipedia! -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 00:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


Can you source your claim that Argentina sees th UK there as a security threat? If so you should consider adding it to the soveriegnty article. People on both sides died in that war and as a Spanish speaker (not natively) I am probably more sympathetic than most Brits to the Argentine viewpoint, SqueakBox 00:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

How can I source something which I have lived? I never recorded anything, but I do have several links which backed up these facts. I only have to remember where I might find them again. You and me, Squeakbox will never be able to get along since it will be impossible for me to take back the things Ive said to you. I overreacted childishly over your taunting and for that I am sorry. I just hope you are human enough to let a FACT stay on that page once I am able to piece it all together again.

I was a young boy living in Villa Gesell, Argentina in '82, a coastal town 100km north of Mar Del Plata, I distinctly remember the Argentinian Air Force Mirage and other planes flying south about 50ft from the ground at full speed. That completely solidified my patriotism and made me believe in what they were doing. My mother asked me to pray for our soldiers as the planes went by. I don't think anyone who hasn't lived that kind of moment can understand the tremendous effect it has on a person's morale and on their life. I have since believed the Malvinas belong to Argentina, and of course I believe in the rights of the people inhabiting the islands. That the british presence is perceived as a security risk by Argentina is a fact, you only have to ask anyone living in Argentina and you'll probably get the same response. The Malvinas are a key strategic point in case of war. And since the british have a history of colonization we have never put it past them to one day invade Argentina. brits know better than most that a crazy leader can turn the world upside down in an instant. Maybe your prince will have a son who will go crazy and try to take over the world, starting with us, maybe Hitler didnt want to try breeding out, Maybe Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Countries have become extremely powerful, no one is safe from a rogue leader, hence the need by Argentina to have control of that which could play a key role in our security.

Well it clearly had enough strategic value to have a war fought over it. British interests in the South Pole, yes, but I dont think Britain invading Argentina is a serious proposition in the modern world. What is also certain is that there is now a far greater UK presence on the islands than before but if the islands hadnt been invaded that presence would not be there, so you could argue any security problems are the result of the tragic decision Galtieri made to invade the islands. What I see is that The Falklanderrs themselves want to be able to live in a British speaking culture and I dont think they or the Gibraltans should be forced to speak Spanish and conform to the Hispanic culture, SqueakBox 02:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

"I dont think they or the Gibraltans should be forced to speak Spanish and conform to the Hispanic culture" Well what about the people in India before they were colonized? They now drive on the opposite side of the road, and have many english culture embedded into theirs. Argentina never argued that the people there will be forced to accept hispanic culture, if they wish to speak english, so be it...

canciller Caputo said:

La construcción de un aeropuerto estratégico en las islas y su extraordinario refuerzo naval, pone en peligro la estabilidad de un área que forma parte de la zona latinoamericana libre de armas nucleares.

y enfatizó que:

hoy nadie puede negar que estas acciones británicas han transformado a las Islas Malvinas en una nueva zona de interés estratégico, atrayendo hacia ella el conflicto global entre el Este y el Oeste.

[edit] edit conflict

first time I saw that one>>>

here's what I was trying to say:

Yes, you are right. But that doesnt mean the collective sense inside Argentina and by most Argentinians I have spoken with about the Malvinas, always gets compared in this manner. That the british have a history of trying to "breed out" other countries is a fact, I didnt make that up, even though they have failed almost every time. Maybe I did go to far comparing them to Hitler and I take that back. And yes, I must have been on a different ip when I posted that. I am still looking for that post and I will show you. I will come back from my computer to see if I still have the proxy I used then. I believe I should still have all the good ones stored. If you review it and find it informative will you allow it to remain? thx

Of course, all contributions are welcome. Just try to keep it within the neutral point of view policy. SqueakBox made a good point as well -- try to find reliable sources that talk about how Argentinians feel threatened by the British presence on those islands, and start a thread on the article talk page with your suggestions for improving the article. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 01:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You have to present it in such a way as to make it relevant. eg saying the Brits represent a risk to Argentina is an opinion, to say you have a source that says this and you want to include it in the article would be fine. O sea, its not what you say as much as how you say it, you need to keep your comments relevant to making the series of articles oon this subject better than they were, so go for it, SqueakBox 01:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)