User talk:67.180.67.179

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Dear anon, the fact that people were born in what became Ukraine long after their deaths does not mean that they were Ukrainians. All of the personalities you subscribe to the Ukrainian nation were not Ukrainian by any measure. Similarly, Lev Tolstoy was not a Soviet citizen, eventhough his birthplace became a part of Soviet Union. //Halibutt 14:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear anon, before editing again please consider reading WP:VER and WP:RS. In particular, in spite of many requests you did not provide any source supporting your edits (and it seems that you confuse a wikipedia project itself with a reliable source upon which wikipedia is build, see WP:RS). Please stop just pushing unsubstantiated claims, it's really disrupting the project. You might also be interested in reading about nationality to get some feeling why, obviously, all these people are *not* considered Ukrainians. --Beaumont (@) 21:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear anon, surely self-identification matters when it comes to nationality. I have read the autobiography of Stanislaw Ulam and I can assure you that nowhere in it did he identify himself as Ukrainian. He was born in Lemberg in the Austro-Hungarian Empire and grew up in Lwow in Poland, in a Polish-speaking, fully assimilated Jewish family. He left Lwow before 1939 for the United States and never came back. His connection with Ukraine is non-existent. So, please stop adding the information that he was Ukrainian to his article (and others like it). If you do, I and other editors will make sure you are reverted. Unless of course you provide valid arguments backed with sources why he should be considered Ukrainian. Balcer 07:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] 3RR report

I reported you for violating Wikipedia:Three-revert rule at Władysław Orlicz (see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR). Balcer 07:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I blocked you for 48 hours due to violations at both Feliks Barański and Władysław Orlicz. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 10:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Three Revert Rule warning

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Warning You have reverted Wladyslaw Orlicz more than three times in a 24 hour period. I know you've already been blocked, but I've seen you do wrong before. One more wrongdoing and I'll report you to an admin. Thank you, Auroranorth 11:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

This is the only warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. If you vandalise Wikipedia once again, you will be blocked from editing. Naravorgaara 04:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Ukrainians

Please don't accuse other Wikipedians of vandalism without cause. A content dispute is not vandalism.

I can accept Poles being included in that list under its broadened critieria, but please don't call them Ukrainians only because they lived in Lviv, without any other justification. Obviously many people living in Lviv at various points of its history were not Ukrainian. Balcer 05:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and just because someone is on this list, that is not a valid justification for calling them Ukrainian in their Wikipedia article. Balcer 06:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
May I suggest that you provide evidence for calling Banach Ukrainian or Rusyn in Talk:Stefan Banach. Once the issue is settled there, he can be safely put with a proper description on the List of Ukrainians, not before. Please, in particular avoid the circular logic of using the list as justification for calling him Ukrainian in the article and vice versa. Balcer 06:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Balcer: His father was Polish and his mother was Ukrainian/Rusyn. Besides the origins, Banach spent an essential portion of his life on the territory of modern Ukraine. He has contributed to the development of the world-famost L'viv School of Mathematics at the Ukrainian Ivan Franko University in L'viv, Ukraine. As the heading of the list suggests, Banach should be listed there, with his partial Polish origins properly acknowledged. This is how it was done before you came with your mis-guided chauvinistic edits.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.67.179 (talk • contribs)
Living on the territory of modern Ukraine does not make one Ukrainian (just like living in the United States does not make one American, unless one officially takes US citizenship oath). Contributing to the development of Ukrainian Ivan Franko University does not make one Ukrainian automatically either, especially in case of Banach who did that for less than two years. Your attempt to stretch the definition of Ukrainian nationality to include anyone even vaguely connected with Ukraine smacks of desperation. Balcer 06:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Balcer: please feel free to present your unnderstanding of what List of Ukrainians should and should not be - IN THE DISCUSSION OF THE ARTICLE, instead of endlessly reverting the already discussed and agreed upon formulation on Banach and others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.67.179 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Archive

Regarding user talk pages, it is best to not delete notices, but instead, to archive them. You will find how to do this at Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page. Actively erasing non-harassing personal messages is often interpreted as hostile. In the past, this kind of behavior has been viewed as uncivil. For this reason, if your deletion of notices and concerns on your user talk page is to keep the "clutter" down, I suggest that you instead create archives for these messages. --Geniac 19:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User notice: NPOV0a

[edit] Regarding edits made during March 7, 2007

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. As a member of the Wikipedia community, I would like to remind you of Wikipedia's neutral-point-of-view policy for editors. You may also be interested in reading The five pillars of Wikipedia, our Help pages, the Tutorial, the policy on citing sources, and our Manual of Style.

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome!

If this is an IP address, and it is shared by multiple users, ignore this warning if you did not make any unconstructive edits. Alex Bakharev 00:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, in Wikipedia we are really trying to make facts speak for themselves instead of using strong words and stylistic tricks. We do not put in the George Bush article "See also idiot" or "Sea also chimpanzee" ,etc, despite many editors having a strong negative opinion about him. Instead they are suppose to find reliable sources showing notable facts ans opinion (and their opponents to find notable sources showing that Bush in right, etc.). Similarly, if you are interested in Polish pre-WWII antisemitism please find notable facts or notable opinions conforming your point of view instead of pasting "See Also Polish Antisemitism" into articles that has no obvious connections to this phenomenon.

Please be advised that putting irrelevant point of view bits unsupported by any sources can be seen as a hate speech. We have to be vigilant about this as there editors with all the possible backgrounds, so the hate speech can get you blocked. Instead try to provide references facts and notable supporting your point of view or even better write neutral articles. Happy editing Alex Bakharev 00:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


This is your last warning.
The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. I have already warned you: please do not put inflammatory, unreferenced and almost irrelevant statements into the articles. The edits like this or that are examples of such edits. Repeat it again and I would have to block you for disruption. On the other hand if you want to provide sourced relevant information (even on an inflammatory topic as Polish Anti-Semitism, or Russian Anti-Semitism or Jewish Polonophobia or whatever) I promise to protect your material in the articles. That are the rules Alex Bakharev 20:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)