Talk:50 goals in 50 games

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That last change doesn't make sense. The player doesn't have to play in 50 games. What is important to the rule book is that the player's goal is scored in the team's 50th game (or less). True Neely played in only 49 games that year...but they weren't the team's first 49 games. If Neely's 49th game was also the team's forty ninth game, then the record would count.

Right, I get it now. I misread the table at [1]. sjorford →•← 09:52, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] to MJR...

You did a great job at editing this site. But i do have one question for you. The grammar in this sentence (under the Brett Hull heading) is a little confusing:

  • Hull was the first beat rookie goalie Dave Gagnon on January 21, 1991, in the Blues' 49th game

what exactly is meant?

It means I'm an idiot, that's what. It could also have meant that it was the first goal allowed by Gagnon, but as usual me edit self lots, bad grammar ensues. I meant to remove his involvement, but whatever.

[edit] Alexander Mogilny?

Alexander Mogilny scored 50 in 50? I wasn't aware of that. Where do you get your sources from? If he in fact did score 50 in 50, then we should add his name down with Cam Neely. I am too tired right now to do any research, but tomorrow when i wake up, i will have a look and see what i can dig up. Masterhatch july 15 2005

I did a Google search and i was unable to find anything on Mogilny scoring 50 in 50. I don't have any books at my disposal to sift through, so I looked everywhere on the net. Either I am just missing it, or he didn't score 50 in 50. Yes, he scored 76 goals in 77 games that year, but I have found nothing on 50 in 50. Mr. 142.179.186.57, could you please cite your sources. Masterhatch 16 July 2005
This article makes the assertion that Mogilny was the last to score 50 in 50, but no details. This article also puts Mogilny in the 50 in 50 club, no details either. Qutezuce 20:51, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
That is so frustrating. Why couldn't they add details about his 50 in 50? If we can get more details, we can add it to this article. Masterhatch 03:40, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
A post to a forum includes Mogilny in the unofficial 50 in 50 club, and it also mentions an unofficial 50in50 for Lemieux in the 95-96 season. If we can get some confirmation and details of these then they both should be added. Qutezuce 02:28, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I've found one more page with evidence for Mogilny here. If that post is to be believed then there is a hockey card commemorating Mogilny's 50 in 50. Further I have come across some good proof of Lemieux's unofficial "50 in 50"s here. That page is a game summary for a game in the 95-96 season in which Mario got 50 in 50, and it also mentions that he did it in the 92-93 season. One troubling thing is that the page mentions Mario's 50 in 50 from 95-96 to be the 11th time it's been done. Given the 8 official ones, plus Cam Neely, plus Jari Kurri, plus two more unofficial ones for Mario = 12. How sure are we about Jari Kurri's 50 in 50? Cam Neely's seems to be pretty well documented, it was mentioned a lot in recent articles about Neely going into the Hall of Fame. This also seems to cast some doubt on Mogilny's 50 in 50 (which would make it 13 instead of 12). The more I dig the more information there is still left to find out. Qutezuce 01:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Wow, this gets more and more confusing all the time. Well, I think there is enough info to add Mario to the unofficial part. But Alex seems confusing because we still don't know how many team games it took him to get 50. Masterhatch 03:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

The funny thing in this dispute is that people are relying exclusively upon websites for information. I wish I'd bought into it earlier, because of course the printed NHL Media Guide has, for all of my lifetime, included detailed lists of every fifty goal scorer in history. According to the listing, Mogilny reached 50 goals in the 1993 season in his 49th game and the team's 53rd, on March 2nd against Hartford. Actually, I'll use this list to vette all the players cited.

You're all welcome. (grins) RGTraynor 08:00, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jari Kurri too?

While looking around on the net for more information and the possibly rumoured Mogilny's 50 in 50, I ran across this:

The AGAL best: Brett Hull, 52 in 1990-91. Remember when "50 goals in 50 games" was incredibly rare? Gretzky did it three times, Hull twice, Lemieux once, plus of course Maurice Richard and Mike Bossy, the first two to ever do it. (Jari Kurri and Cam Neely each scored 50 within their first 50 games in a season, but not within their team's).

I found that here:

Does anyone out there have any more information about Jari Kurri's 50 in 50? Also, does anyone out there know which Bruin game was Neely's last game? Masterhatch 17 July 2005

  • In Neely's 50/50 season his 50th goal came in his 44th, and his team's 66th game. The last game he played in that year was March 19, 1994 against the Devils where he hurt his healthy knee (He never played more then 7 games in a row that year because he was resting his left knee). The Devils game he got injured in was the team's 72nd of the season.--MJR 22:32, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
Wow, MJR, you are truly amazing with your stat finding. Were you able to find anything more about Kurri's 50 in 50? Also, i can't seem to find how many games it took Gretzky to get his 50th goal the third time he did 50 in 50. Maybe you could conjure up some more magic. Masterhatch 1 August 2005

[edit] There, all fixed.

I've vetted all the information, including some near-misses (by Bobby Hull, Charlie Simmer, Bernie Nicholls and Lemieux again), and found an unofficial 50:50 by Mario. Any questions? RGTraynor 08:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

One question, how come you didn't add Mogilny? :) (Must be an oversight).
Thank you for finally clearing it all up! Please be sure to add the "NHL Media Guide" to the references section. Is the "NHL Media Guide" the same book as "The National Hockey League Official Guide & Record Book"? Qutezuce 09:02, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
That's the one. And gah, after all that, I left Mogilny out? Feh. RGTraynor 22:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Beckett Hockey Issue #50 and some changes

I have a copy of Beckett Hockey Monthly issue #50 with the five players that accomplished the true 50/50 on the cover. There is an in-depth article on all the players that accomplished the feat and the ones that were close. In the article, which was written by Tom Wheatley, it says that Jari Kurri(84-85), Alex Mogilny(92-93), Mario Lemieux(92-93 & 95-96), and Cam Neely(93-94) all scored 50 goals in 50 or less games, but NOT in the teams first 50 games. Changes: It also mentioned that Bobby Hull had 50 goals in 57 games in 65-66, not the 50 in 52 games that was on this site earlier. Mario Lemieux scored his 50th goal in his 48th game(teams 72nd) in 92-93 not his 44th that was on the site earlier. Also, he scored 19 goals in his final 12 games not 16 games in 92-93.

According to the NHL Guide & Record Book, Bobby Hull's 50th goal in 1965-66 came in his 52nd game, which was the Black Hawks' 57th game. Aottley 01:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Selanne

if im not mistaken he did it in 52 games... that should be a near miss

Nope, his best was in 63 games in 1992-93. Aottley 01:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What if a player was traded...

If a player is traded before 50 games and then scores 50 goals, how would it be classified? Is it an official 50 in 50 only if its inside the new team's 50 games, the old one's, or something different altogether (like all the goals had to come with one of the teams)? Funny, because if the official standard was the new team's 50 games, it is quite possible that the player himself would have played for more than 50 games (if the new team had played less games at the time of the trade), in which case it would be "official" but not meet the "unofficial" standard...Ans3000 07:24, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Beats me. No doubt the NHL would figure out something, and if this ever happens, we'll deal with the issue at the time. RGTraynor 19:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yzerman

Deleted Yzerman's entry, as he did not score 50 goals in 24 games in 94-95, and did not even score 50 goals that year. He also did not set a record for scoring 111 goals in a season, because the record is held by Gretzky with 92. Nuff said.

Edit ** Hmm.... it was vandalism. I also fixed Hull and Bossy vandalism. Propose we ban 82.83.139.42 for repeated vandalism. CanucksRule

[edit] Anders Hedberg

this guy was added to the list along with Bobby hull. I searched the net and could not find any record of 50 in 50. this site [2] is pretty informative, but mentions nothing about 50 in 50. anyways, i will delete this entry unless someone can come up with a reliable source. But i got thinking, even if they did score 50 in 50, do they deserve mention on this article? I mean, if we mention them here, why not mention every 50 in 50 scorer from every league around the world? I am sure someone scored 50 in 50 in some professional european league at some point in time. What about junior leagues? i am sure it has happened there too. i think this article should be restricted to NHL entries largely because it seems only the NHL makes a big deal of this record. If someone wants to start a new article listing 50 in 50 scorers from other leages, then they should fill their boots and just make a simple link on this article in the "See also" section. Masterhatch 19:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Hedberg scored 50 goals in 47 games in the 1977/78 season for the WHA's Winnipeg Jets. [3]. But then again this is the WHA. I agree with your thoughts about keeping this an NHL-only article. Yankees76 23:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neely photo?

Overall, a great article. Thanks for the research, not only of the 'official' 50 in 50, but of the non-official and the near misses. One suggestion however... is there any chance of using a photo of Neely in a hockey uniform rather than the cheesy 'studio-shot' that is there now? I'm sure he used that for his Denis Leary related acting jobs. I'd prefer to remember him in his intimidating Bruins uni. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.30.152.190 (talk) 15:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC).