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Contents 1 Peer review for Jack Warner 2 Alan Kulwicki 3 Peer review request - Lancia LC2 4 hey! 5 With appreciation 6 Issue 2 7 Copyright material - Arth.R2 8 Your rewrite of Saruman 9 Re: Edit conflict 10 Jack Warner FAC 11 McLaren brakes 12 Next NW (Early) 13 Max Mosley 14 Requesting peer review of Facebook 15 Oil shale and Oil shale extraction 16 Peer review idea 17 Jack Warner FAC 18 Max Mosley 19 Lewis Hamilton 20 Requesting peer review of PHP 21 Thank You! 22 Maynard James Keenan Peer review 23 Copy edit request: Max Mosley 24 Response 25 FA 26 Max Mosley 27 Alan Kulwicki review 28 Jim Clark 29 F1 newsletter 20080403 30 Toyota 31 Dirty Dancing Peer Review 32 Brabham BT19 photo 33 Max Mosley, in reply 34 Interview of sorts? 35 Another WikiCommons Brabham image 36 Nominate for F1POM & F1DOM 37 1995 Japanese Grand Prix 38 A request 39 Danica 40 What to do? 41 Peer review request 42 Max 43 WPF1 44 1995 Japanese Grand Prix 45 Peer review/Copyedit 46 Alan Kulwicki 47 F1POM and F1DOM 48 Rongorongo, again 49 Request for Peer Review help 50 Lewis Hamilton 51 Thingmen

[edit] Peer review for Jack Warner

Hi 4u1e, I saw your name on the list of volunteers for peer review. I just nominated a piece on movie mogul Jack Warner. The article includes a good deal of information, and it's reasonably engaging, but I know it can be improved. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated! Cheers, -- twelsht (talk) 15:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the copy editing! If you feel there are any general weakenesses in the article, please don't hesitate to let me know. Cheers, -- twelsht (talk) 18:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks 4ule, I just returned to my computer, and I haven't had a chance to give your comments the close reading they deserve. At a glance, they struck me as reasonable and constructive. I'll respond in detail ASAP. Thanks, again, for your time and consideration! Cheers, -- twelsht (talk) 04:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Not at all! You're comments were just what was needed. By the way, another reviewer just recommended that I tone down references to Warner's personal life in the lead and slightly reorganize the sections on his professional life. If you have time, I'd appreciate any comments on these relatively minor changes. Either way, thanks, once again, for your thoughtful and thorough critique. Cheers, -- twelsht (talk) 20:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alan Kulwicki

I wrote: "Kulwicki was buried in his family plot at Saint Adalbert Cemetery in Milwaukee, consistent with other Polish Americans in the cemetery." Would you help me with wording this sentence? What I was trying to accomplish is saying where he was buried, and to add that he is buried in a family plot. These family plots were done by people with Polish ancestry. Twelsht has commented that more Polish American things probably should be added to the article, and this is a great place to add a comment to reinforce that thought.

I went to the cemetery to take the picture of his gravestone, and I found out that his family's stone has listed around 10 family members including his mother and brother. This portion of the cemetery is a Polish American portion, and has several family plots like his families. Any thoughts about how to reword this so its less confusing? Royalbroil 00:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review request - Lancia LC2

I was wondering if it might be possible for you to give a quick peer review of my Lancia LC2 article as I'm considering nominating it for GA. Mostly just looking for another pair of eyes to see anything I may have stupidly missed or anything that you think might make for a better read. I know it isn't the usual F1 stuff, but not all that different. Thanks in advance. The359 (talk) 23:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] hey!

Well, I have only delivered the Newsletter to a few as a trial run, and I didn't have time to get a bot to do it. Well, I have two that are interested in helping in this project. These are Chubbinator and Diniz. Thank you for subscribing, could you sign your name on the sign list here -> Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One/Newsletter

Thanks for your interest! LB22 (talk to me!)Email me! 18:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] With appreciation

		The WikiProject Films Award
		I, twelsht (talk) 08:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC), hereby award 4u1e the WikiProject Films Award for his/her valued contibutions to WikiProject Films. Thank you for your assistance on Jack Warner. Awarded 08:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Issue 2

Welcome to Issue 2!

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year I - Issue 2 - March 2008
"The running gag of the Grand Prix series is that whereas Murray, safe in the commentary box, sounds like a blindfolded man riding a unicycle on the rim of the pit of doom, the men actually facing the danger are all so taciturn that you might as well try interviewing the cars themselves." - Clive James
The 2008 Formula One season is almost underway in the relaxed atmosphere of Melbourne. There we will see what rivalries are in store, with everyone hoping that the championship will be just as close as last year. The controversies of 2007 are long gone, ready to be replaced by the sweet smell of good old sportsmanship. Chubbennaitor (talk)
News We are delighted to have a new user, NapHit, who joined on February 17, 2008. Our current Improvement Drive is Juan Manuel Fangio. Wanted Articles include Roland Bruynseraede and Erich Zakowski. The Max Mosley article is currently being peer reviewed. Please leave some comments! Our newsletters are now collapsible.	Editor's Comment I am incredibly pleased that we have some backers of our new letter. So it is decided that we will go on and publish one for you every month. Don't forget to give us your ideas. I just thought that I should point out that this is our official first edition, as the last one was a pilot. However, we will keep with Issue II onwards! I would also like to thank Diniz and Chubbennaitor for helping me live out my newsletter idea. Happy Reading! - LB22 (talk to me!)Email me! 18:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC) We need a few users to help me with this newsletter. If you are interested, please leave me a message on my talk page or sign up on the "Contributors" list of the central newsletter page. Current contributors - LB22 (talk · contribs) Diniz (talk · contribs) Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs) Other areas where you can help - Keep up some of the great facts in the "Did You Know" section of the Formula One portal! Remember, yours may be put in next Wednesday! Help out with the articles in Category:Formula One stubs. Selected Image -
Recent Formula One news All of the F1 teams apart from Super Aguri have been taking part in the final full test of the off-season at the Circuit de Catalunya. Retired former champion Michael Schumacher was on hand to test the Ferrari F2008. [1] Super Aguri's future is hanging in the balance as talks continue with parent team Honda. [2] Ferrari's Italian court case against McLaren continues, with several of the British team's personnel being questioned. [3]

[edit] Copyright material - Arth.R2

Hello, 4u1e

Just to get things right this time, can I rewrite GrandPrix.com material in order to use it? Do you know any other good Internet references? I am really interested in improving the race reviews.

Thank you.

Arth.R2 (talk) 14:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your rewrite of Saruman

Damn good job is all I have to say. Dr. eXtreme 18:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Edit conflict

No worries - you got most of them. DH85868993 (talk) 01:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Warner FAC

Hi 4u1e, This message is to inform you that I recently nominated Jack Warner as a featured article candidate. Your comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, again, for your extremely detailed review of the article! Cheers, -- twelsht (talk) 09:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] McLaren brakes

Hmmm. Could just be. My recollection was that they had been used for only one GP, but even that wouldn't preclude their having been spotted in testing at the end of the previous year. First Google result gives the BBC report [4], which gets the issues spectacularly wrong anyway - it was left/right not front/back, and the accusation was four wheel steering, not four wheel drive. Have to look for some cite of the journalist story, I suppose. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 18:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

This [5] says it was at the 'Ring the previous year, so I guess 1997 it is. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 18:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Next NW (Early)

This is early for reasons LB22 and I understand.

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year I - Special Edition - 2008 F1 Preview
"And it's GO GO GO! Anything can happen in Formula One and it usually does!" – Murray Walker
Welcome to the 2008 Season Preview provided by Chubbennaitor, Diniz and LB22.
The 2008 Formula One season is underway tonight. A sense of a new term starts in Melbourne's pit lane and the practices start at 11:00pm (GMT) tonight (13th March) and will show all of the rivalries we will be seeing during the season. With three contenders for the title, Kimi won't have it easy with Lewis, Fernando and the other drivers hot in pursuit! Enjoy the special issue! LB22 (talk to me!)Email me! 20:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC) and Chubbennaitor!
Team and Driver Lineups Ferrari 1. Kimi Räikkönen 2. Felipe Massa BMW Sauber 3. Nick Heidfeld 4. Robert Kubica Renault 5.Fernando Alonso 6.Nelson Piquet Williams 7. Nico Rosberg 8. Kazuki Nakajima Red Bull 9. David Coulthard 10. Mark Webber	Editor's Prediction This is the predictions of our editors LB22 (talk · contribs): I think Hamilton or Kimi will win the title and BMW will win a race or two Diniz (talk · contribs): As long as Wikipedia covers it encyclopedically, I don't mind! Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs): Hamilton or a suprising Jenson Button. Kovalainen's in with a chance of the title too. After the start of the season Ferrari most likely won't win. The Melbourne Grand Prix Circuit. The reigning champion, Kimi Räikkönen. 2005 and 2006 champion Fernando Alonso returns to Renault. Who will win this?
Toyota 11. Jarno Trulli 12. Timo Glock Toro Rosso 14. Sébastien Bourdais 15. Sebastian Vettel Honda 16. Jenson Button 17. Rubens Barrichello Super Aguri 18. Takuma Sato 19. Anthony Davidson Force India 20. Adrian Sutil 21. Giancarlo Fisichella McLaren 22. Lewis Hamilton 23. Heikki Kovalainen

[edit] Max Mosley

Hi hope your well.

I nominated it for FA, fingers crossed! Shame there is no picture of the man himself. I had a go at the final section on the 2007 season could you take a look? Cheers!

Tommy turrell (talk) 23:17, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Cheers, good idea have added a comment to the discussion page. Tommy turrell (talk) 12:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Mark83 (talk) 17:21, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requesting peer review of Facebook

I noticed that you listed yourself as a volunteer for "Applied sciences and technology" subjects for peer review. I am requesting a peer review from you for Wikipedia:Peer review/Facebook/archive2, if you have the time. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 18:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Facebook is currently nominated for a WP:GA at Wikipedia:Good article nominations#Computing, so if you have time, please review it. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 20:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Oil shale and Oil shale extraction

Hi, 4u1e. I am going to nominate the Oil shale and Oil shale extraction articles for FAC. As the last peer reviews of these articles were not very productive, I wonder if you agree to take a look and give some advice and hard critics before proceeding with the FAC nomination? Thank you in advance. Beagel (talk) 19:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, 4u1e. Thank you very much for reviewing the Oil shale article. It achieved FA status and your review was a great help in this process. I would like to ask also reviewing the Oil shale extraction article. Thank you. Beagel (talk) 19:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review idea

Hi, I have made a proposal that no peer review request be archived without some response. To aid in this, there is a new list of PR requests at least one week old that have had no repsonses beyond a semi-automated peer review. This list is at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog.

There are just over 100 names on the PR volunteers page, so I figure if each of these volunteers reviewed just one or two PR requests without a response from the list each month, it would easily take care of the "no response" backlog (as there have been 2 or 3 such unanswered requests a day on average).

If you would be able to help out with a review or two a month from the "no responses" backlog list that would be great (and much appreciated). Please discuss questions, comments, or ideas at the PR talk page and thanks in advance for your help, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 23:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks for agreeing to help. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I made some suggestions at the Saruman peer review - hope they are helpful (one less person to guilt this way ;-) ) Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 22:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Warner FAC

Hi 4u1e, Thanks, once again, for your detailed feedback and support! Your comments certainly helped me to improve the article, and I wanted to let you know that it was just promoted to FA status. With appreciation, -- twelsht (talk) 04:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Max Mosley

Happy to do it! I'm turning in at the moment. But I'll be on it tomorrow. Cheers, -- twelsht (talk)

I admire your dedication to the sport! By the way, I printed up a copy of the article last night and read it this afternoon. It a great piece! Most of the things I caught were minor style issues, e.g., inconsistent rendering of numbers and inconsistent comma usage. One thing: Despite the fact that Mosley eschewed a career in politics, it might be interesting to know if he evolved in this department. Has he commented at all on his father's pre-war political career, or is this a subject he avoids? This isn't central to the story, of course, but it might be an interesting tidbit. I'll join the FAC momentarily. Cheers, -- twelsht (talk) 01:28, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all! The article was an interesting introduction to a figure I knew nothing about. I'll review the piece later today. If anything else comes to mind, I'll let you know. Best, -- twelsht (talk) 14:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Just wanted to draw your attention to constructive comments made by mark83 on the Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Max_Mosley#Max_Mosley page. I have had a go at some of them but I would be greatful if you could review them. Cheers (happy easter btw) Tommy turrell (talk) 18:21, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lewis Hamilton

Thanks 4u1e! Taht was v. helpful Will (talk) 16:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requesting peer review of PHP

I noticed that you listed yourself as a volunteer for "Applied sciences and technology" subjects for peer review. I am requesting a peer review from you for Wikipedia:Peer review/PHP/archive2, if you have the time. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 21:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You!

		Thank You!!
		Thank you for helping me improve the 1995 Japanese Grand Prix article, by provding feedback on the article through it's recent Peer Review. Your feedback has been used to improve the article's quality. As a result, I have nominated it for GA status with the hope that it will pass. Thank you!

D.M.N. (talk) 21:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Maynard James Keenan Peer review

It's not in the genre of articles you're into, so if you don't want to review it, I totally understand. Trust. Just dropping a request, as I'm going for FA. Thanks for your consideration. Regards, Lara❤Love 05:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copy edit request: Max Mosley

Thanks for the message on my talk page -- I will try to take a look at it this evening.  – ukexpat (talk) 19:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Response

From a quick look through the discussion and the problem I noticed, I would have to agree with your concerns about copyright. The issues I have usually dealth with have been fairly clear cut, copying of large chunks of encylopaedic text, which can clearly be written in many different ways. Obviously this is is a bit different since as it's from a specific law, rewording it is not necessarily easily but I agree simply copying it in the way that was done, particularly given that this is an English translation (of a French translation?) of an Armenian law is probably not acceptable. However I don't have the time at the moment to look into it in depth, I'll try tomorrow. In the mean time, you may want to consider asking at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems to see what others say. Nil Einne (talk) 10:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FA

Hi,

Thanks for your help with rongorongo. It's now up for FA, if you wish to comment.[6] — kwami (talk) 01:59, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Max Mosley

Get ready for a huge vandalism storm, in case you haven't seen the front page of todays News of The World, there's not a very nice headline involving Mosley. Someone's left a comment on the very bottom of the talkpage about it. This will almost certainly affect the FA-nom. D.M.N. (talk) 13:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

It's been Fully-Protected. Looks like it'll fail, with things coming out beyond our control. What a shame... D.M.N. (talk) 17:15, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah well, never mind it was a good attempt! I am pleased with the work that everyone had done on the article up to now. I think the detail added to it over the last 6 months to make it fair and balanced really helped keep both the pro and anti Mosley sides happy.

personally I’m not going to edit it (assuming it becomes unprotected) until there is a source such as ITV, BBC or possibly autosport that is prepared to touch this story.

I have to say I am fascinated to see if it turns out to be true!

I’m not sure how I feel about many journalists just resorting to cutting and pasting max’s history from his wikipedia entry!

BTW good work on finding more info about his political ambisions.Tommy turrell (talk) 18:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Yea, it's sad that the bad timing of this incident has killed this article's changes at Featured Article. Either of you 2 should leave me a message on my talk page if you have have some changes and I'll see that they get done. The admin mop thingie allows me to bypass the full protection if I can improve the article.

It was tough reading those last few FA comments about how horrible the article's writing is. I don't believe it's bad. I'm getting nervious about proposing Alan Kulwicki for FA if the comments are going to be that rough. Royalbroil 03:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Well that was bad timing! Still, I can't deny the relevance of the story, given there's a good chance it will end his time as FIA president.
Regarding cut and pasting by journalists: they're violating Wikipedia's copyright provisions if they do so. Not by copying, since Wikipedia's content is free to use, but by not acknowledging the source, and because under the GFDL license, if you copy Wiipedia's content into your work, the resulting work must be licensed under the GFDL. I'll be surprised if any of the newspapers have done that. Having said that, at a first glance I didn't see any direct lifts, other than quotes.
Regarding the FA comments on writing, it's all part of the process. Laserbrain's are all pretty minor stuff, and a fair few of them are unfamiliarity with the topic (Hyphenated 'March-BMW' is of course completely normal usage in this context, for example!). Tony's are probably more serious, and tougher to fix, but he is usually correct, so it's best to just learn from the experience! 4u1e (talk) 08:22, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

• Pity about the timing; my responses at my talk. TONY (talk) 10:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

After sleeping on it, you two have too many changes and you should do them yourself so that you can get exactly what you want. The whole "no deadline" thing. I can't wait to see how the whole "Nazi Orgy" incident will be worded. I didn't hear anything about the controversy here in the U.S., but it's easy to find on google. Royalbroil 14:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Tony has written this gem and several others on his user page. Almost everyone needs to work on these areas. It probably would be a good thing for me to eventually nominate the Kulwicki article because taking some lumps would lead to me improving my writing skills! Royalbroil 17:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you remember Serp91? have a read of http://www.welt.de/sport/article1860738/Der_Brief_des_Fia-Praesidenten_im_Wortlaut.html and draw your own conclusions ;-) Tommy turrell (talk) 17:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I thought the language use of the legal system where quite simmilar! I'm kinda going by what Mosley said about reading the blogs! But I could be quite wrong.

re "the embarrassment the revelations caused" - good call.Tommy turrell (talk) 12:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alan Kulwicki review

Thanks for the information! I will get a review up for it this week. I have been having to deal with some family issues lately.

--Tlayden (talk) 18:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I have been expecting that User:Zenlax will do the review since he/she called it. There's no better training for reviewing a GAN than improving a different article to GAN. Tlayden has <50 edits total. Besides, the first person to call it should be doing the review according to the GAN rules. Royalbroil 18:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, Zenlax read it and changed it to GA without comment. Thank you for your mentorship and review on this article! I'm thinking about FA for the article. Do you think that the sources would be criticized since none are book sources and many are not paper? I have at least 3 more people willing to review it. Royalbroil 14:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your hints and thoughts about the article's potential at FA. I asked because I was concerned about the some of the same issues that you brought up.

I started another article (Eddie Hill) that I think almost already hit GA standards when it was originally started. I notice that the article has many redlinks on topics that should have been written a long time ago. Apparently there are no fans of drag racing who are Wikipedians. I'd be doing a large stretch if I started those articles because I don't have much background in drag racing. I know they're the big events but that's about all that I know. I probably don't know enough to make a stub; I could make a few sentences . Have you seen any GA articles with many redlinks? Royalbroil 02:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jim Clark

It's Pflanzgarten again - one of the anons was already flagged as a sock. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 21:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] F1 newsletter 20080403

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year I - Issue 3 - April 2008
"We will miss him a little bit as a driver, we will miss him a lot in the football matches." Jarno Trulli on Michael Schumacher. [7]
The Current Improvement Drive is Juan Manuel Fangio.
The 2008 Formula One season is underway. With the relaxing atmosphere of the first round at Melbourne (where Lewis Hamilton won with Nick Heidfeld second and a superb Nico Rosberg in third after a very eventful race with only seven drivers finishing) behind us, the focus then shifted to Malaysia. A superior Kimi Räikkönen got back on track with a great win; Robert Kubica and Heikki Kovalainen finished in distant second and third places followed by a tremendous Jarno Trulli and unlucky Lewis Hamilton in fourth and fifth places respectively. Mark Webber, Fernando Alonso, David Coulthard and Jenson Button all showed their teams' strong improvements and performances in seventh, eighth, ninth and tenth respectively. The two Grands Prix have shown all the rivalries we will be seeing during the season and how dependent the results are on the removal of traction control and engine braking. Bahrain is here and I bet everyone out there is hoping for a very good and close-finishing race there. 'Chubbennaitor and -- Diniz (talk) 00:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
News New members -- Tompw (talk · contribs) (March 2, 2008) PYLrulz (talk · contribs) (March 25, 2008) SheffieldSteel (talk · contribs) (March 27, 2008) Xtreme racer (talk · contribs) (March 30, 2008) Sage Callahan (talk · contribs) (April 1, 2008) Barkjon (talk · contribs) (April 2, 2008) New Recipents -- Oahiyeel (talk · contribs) (March 18, 2008) The359 (talk · contribs) (March 30, 2008) Barkjon (talk · contribs) (April 2, 2008) The 1995 Japanese Grand Prix article has been listed as a Good Article. Image:Heidfeld and Rosberg - 2008 Melb GP.jpg has been promoted to Featured Picture status. Image:Lewis hamilton - 2008 Melb GP.jpg is a current Featured Picture candidate. Please leave comments here. Image:Kimi Raikkonen 2008 Australia.jpg is a current Featured Picture Candidate. Please leave comments here. You can leave your comments on the Newsletter on either LB22's Newsletter Desk or Chubbennaitor's Newsletter Desk. We now have an IRC channel. Only two of the editors will be able to see the queries. The Newsletter is now being handed out by BCBot.	Editor's Comment We need a few users to help me with this newsletter. If you are interested, please leave me a message on my talk page (and the other contributors) or sign up on the "Contributors" list of the central newsletter page and we will tell you everything you need to know and answer your questions. Current contributors - LB22 (talk · contribs) Diniz (talk · contribs) Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs) Other areas where you can help - Keep up some of the great facts in the "Did You Know" section of the Formula One portal! Remember, yours may be put in next Wednesday! Help out with the articles in Category:Formula One stubs. Read the to-do list in Portal:Formula One and help to complete the tasks. Selected Image -
Recent Formula One news Raikkonen:I'm not going to dominate '08 Ecclstone :Mosley stay away from Bahrain Coulthard pays tribute to old mentor David Leslie Extra seats for British GP FIA quiet about Max Mosely FI confident for Q2 McLaren to the end of the pits FIA confirm quali rule change Ex-FIA president passes away Honda not in with the points for Bahrain Sepang: Night race main priority Qatar wants to be a stop for the F1 circus Schumacher to help with McLaren spy gate money Toro Rosso is put on the market
Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Lewis Hamilton McLaren 14 2nd Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 11 3rd Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 11 Constructors' Championship Constructor Points McLaren 24 BMW Sauber 19 Scuderia Ferrari 11 Standings after the 2008 Malaysian Grand Prix. See 2008 Formula One season for further season summary and formula1.com or ITV-F1.com (and there is more there for the championship) for complete standings and statistics.
Last race Driver Racing Time Fastest Last Qualifying Time Kimi Räikkönen 1h31m18.555s 1m36.230s Robert Kubica +19.57s 1m36.727s Heikki Kovalainen +38.45s 1m36.613s Last Race Grid Line up Driver Time Felipe Massa 1m35.748s Kimi Räikkönen 1m36.23s Jarno Trulli 1m36.711s* Malaysian GP results Malaysian Grand Prix 2nd test results Malaysian Grand Prix 1st test results *Jarno Trulli was promoted 2 places after Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen were demoted 5 places for impeding in qualifying

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[edit] Toyota

well was a tad unfair that you did all the work! The Toyota issue isn't something i know much about, it didn't seem to generate much coverage. Max is taking up too much of my day job, I am thinking about moving on to Jean Todt or Ron Dennis (my dark horse tip for the next president! of the FIA). Anything else in the project that you have seen that is important but doesn't have much wikipedia coverage? But ideally i'd like see Max to FA first.Tommy turrell (talk) 17:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Frank Williams looks neglected a bit too. Lotus, intresting, had nearly as much tech chucked out of f1 as McLaren! Lotus was my fav team when i was a kid, I used to have a poster of a Lotus 107 on my bedroom wall! Lotus could be difficult to seprate from Chapman though. Fango - bit before my time! Ok will give it somethought Tommy turrell (talk) 18:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

ok will do, is that the chap that used to be chummy with burnie? Didn't he run one of his mags? or maybe i am thinkin of someone else. Tommy turrell (talk) 18:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Good spot, don't notice the 300m, sounds a bit fancyful to me! it also refrers to "the first three years of Max Mosley’s life were spent in Holloway prison" but this isn't true according to "my life" by Oswald Mosley so i am sure there is lots of grounds for keeping it out.Tommy turrell (talk) 09:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dirty Dancing Peer Review

Hi, I saw your name at WP:PRV. If you're available, I'd appreciate your comments at Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Peer review/Dirty Dancing. Thanks, Elonka 12:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Brabham BT19 photo

Hello again! I've just found this freely-licensed photo of a BT19 on display at the 2006 Australian GP. Might it be any use to the article?-- Diniz (talk) 08:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'll upload it soon. I've also just found a new Brabham image on the Commons, which could be integrated into the team's article.-- Diniz (talk) 09:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Uploaded and available here.-- Diniz (talk) 09:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Max Mosley, in reply

Hi, I added a reply on the talk page; thanks for including me. Wikimancer (talk) 22:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Interview of sorts?

I was wondering if I could interview you over email for my paper on collaborative writing on Wikipedia (I'm hoping to present it at Wikimania). I need a broader range of editors than I currently have and your experience writing about sports would be helpful! Awadewit (talk) 17:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Another WikiCommons Brabham image

I've just found an image of Nelson Piquet at the 1981 Monaco Grand Prix on the Commons, for your editing pleasure... ;)-- Diniz (talk) 13:41, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nominate for F1POM & F1DOM

YOU can nominate for the F1 picture of the month here and F1 driver of the month here. Chubbennaitor 18:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 1995 Japanese Grand Prix

Hi 4u1e. As someone who has got a motor racing article to FA status, I was wondering whether you could peer review the 1995 Japanese Grand Prix article for me. Could you possibly make comments on the article at the PR discussion here. Thanks, D.M.N. (talk) 17:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A request

Hey there 4 - Just wondering if you could help me with some pronounciations (sp?). I am planning to make Brabham a spoken article via me and I was wondering if you could help me if some of these words:

• Ron Tauranac - Just the surname.
• Joachim Luhti - Surname as well.
• l'Automobile
• Rapier
• perilously
• Andrea de Adamich

Anyway, if you could just clear them up it would be much appreciated. Cheers. --Phill ^{talk Edits} _{Review this GA review!} 15:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks 4 (and thanks RB if he sees this!) for the help. Btw, I though I'd be pronouncing the FIA bit like Italian because I'm very comfortable pronouncing Italian words although I'm not sure about French! :-p. --Phill ^{talk Edits} _{Review this GA review!} 20:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Danica

Howdy! I didn't actually put the original NPOV box up there, just changed it to a NPOV-section box. I would guess that the section is considered non-nuetral by some as the tone sometimes seems deriding at times, probably owing to the fact that many of the cited articles/topics in the section are of a deriding/controversial nature. Obvisouly pretty girls can't racce ;) ZueJay (talk) 03:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks like User:RossF18 added the original NPOV tag. ZueJay (talk) 03:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What to do?

I have 2 reliable sources that contradict each other. One is a book, published my Macmillan, that consists of quotes from either the racer or someone close to them. In this case, the chapter is written by Alan Kulwicki's crew chief Paul Andrews (NASCAR). He says that Zerex backed out as sponsor at the beginning of the 1990 season. SpeedwayMedia backs him up, although it is not necessarily very reliable. Multiple other reliable sources, including Speed Channel and RacingReference.com say that they left after the 1990 season. Royalbroil 13:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

That's a great answer. I'll do more digging. There are one or two other things that have made me wonder, so I appreciate both the specific and generic answers. I don't see a certain source that consistently wrong (or shows a pattern). That is, except for the Motorsports Hall of Fame of America, which I've found to have wrong information on several different articles. I use the article carefully. I would only use it in Kulwicki's article to source that he was inducted in their Hall of Fame (if he ever becomes inducted). That's all we were able to use it for in Mario Andretti's article. Royalbroil 17:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review request

Hello. I noticed that you have listed yourself as a peer review volunteer in the area of sports. I would like comments on an article I have recently put up for review, SummerSlam (1988). Any help is appreciated, so if you have some time, I'd appreciate your comments here. Thanks so much! If you are not interested in reviewing the article, please ignore this message. Nikki311 22:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Max

I've added in a couple of points about this weekends goings on (Israel and Ecclestone). Just wondered if you would check (and copy edit) my posts. I was wary about putting anything (I am hardly Mosleys biggest fan, after all) but figured I'd have a go and see. Narson (talk) 20:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I loathe him as head of the FIA but I kind of think the FIA is getting what it asked for by appointing the man. Considering who Ecclestone is pushing for his replacement, it will all be business as normal anyway. Maybe if he stays around, we might get to see some more names tossed into the ring for next years vote? But yeah, the section is getting larger and well, I can see it getting larger still when the campaigning starts ahead of the June 3rd vote. I can see Mercedes sport trying to scupper him after that 'No you are the Nazis' response. Narson (talk) 09:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Ron Dennis would have made a good replacement, sadly thats not going to happen. Could always get Damon Hill in ;) Narson (talk) 09:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WPF1

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Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 29 2nd Lewis Hamilton BMW Sauber 20 3rd Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 19 4th Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 18 5th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 16 6th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 14 7th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 9 8th Mark Webber Red Bull 8 9th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 7 10th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 6 11th Kazuki Nakajima WilliamsF1 5 12th Jenson Button Honda F1 3 13th Sébastien Bourdais Toro Rosso 2 Constructors' Championship Position Constructor Points 1st Scuderia Ferrari 47 2nd BMW Sauber 35 3rd McLaren 34 4th WilliamsF1 12 5th Toyota F1 9 6th Red Bull 8 7th Renault F1 6 8th Honda F1 3 9th Toro Rosso 2 10th Force India 0 11th Super Aguri 0 Standings after the 2008 Spanish Grand Prix. See 2008 Formula One season for further season summary and formula1.com or ITV-F1.com (and there is more there for the championship) for complete standings and statistics. Bahrain Grand Prix Driver Constructor Qualifying Time 1st Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1m33.123s 2nd Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1m33.418s 3rd Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1m33.096s 4th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1m33.737s 5th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1m33.488s 6th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1m33.994s 7th Mark Webber Red Bull 1m32.371s 8th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 1m34.015s 9th Timo Glock Toyota F1 1m32.528s 10th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1m35.115s Bahrain Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1m33.096s Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1m33.123s Row two Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1m33.292s Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1m33.418s Row three Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1m33.488s Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1m33.737s Row four Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1m33.994s Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 1m34.015s Row five Jenson Button Honda Racing F1 1m35.057s Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1m35.115s Massa answers critics with win Kubica hits tremendous pole Friday Practice 2: Hamilton Crashes whilst Ferrari's don't budge off 1-2 Friday Practice 1- Ferrari's lead while Williams star Spanish Grand Prix Driver Constructor Qualifying Time 1st Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1m21.813s 2nd Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1m22.058s 3rd Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1m22.096s 4th Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1m22.065s 5th Mark Webber Red Bull 1m22.429s 6th Jenson Button Honda F1 1m21.211s 7th Kazuki Nakajima WilliamsF1 1m21.117s 8th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1m22.529s 9th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1m22.542s 10th Timo Glock Toyota F1 1m21.230s Spanish Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1m21.813s Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1m21.904s Row two Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1m22.058s Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1m22.065s Row three Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1m22.096s Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1m22.231s Row four Mark Webber Red Bull Racing 1m22.429s Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1m22.529s Row five Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1m22.542s Nelsinho Piquet Renault F1 1m22.699s Raikkonen cruises to an unchallenged victory Raikkonen beats amazing Alonso to pole Heidfeld at the top for Saturday morning Ferrari just pip Renault off top Ferrari top in Friday Practice Driver of the Month Ayrton Senna Ayrton Senna at Imola 1989. Ayrton Senna at the 1991 United States Grand Prix. Ayrton Senna (da Silva) is most known for his push to win, much the same as Gilles Villeneuve. Senna is a three time Formula One Champion, winning in 1988, 1990, and 1991. Many people have compared Senna to Juan Manuel Fangio, who is known as "The Master" of Formula One. Senna is a Brazilian, and raced for Toleman, Lotus, McLaren, and Williams. Statistically, he is among the greatest ever, with 41 wins and 65 pole positions. His then-record of 65 pole positions was broken by Michael Schumacher in the 2006 San Marino Grand Prix. His rivalry with Alain Prost is among the most legendary in Formula One, going as far as Senna colliding with Prost in the first turn of Suzuka in 1990, giving Senna the title. Tragically, Senna died during the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix when his Williams left the track at high speed, hitting the concrete retaining wall at around 135 mph. No driver since has been killed while driving a Formula One car. His skill in wet weather and bad conditions has made him stand out among other drivers. Where most people would choose to drive conservatively, to avoid causing a crash, Senna would still push his hardest. Following the death of Senna (and Roland Ratzenberger), many safety improvements have been made. What could possibly be better than his on-the-track skills was what he did off the track. His character and attitude has made him a legend among F1 fans. Nominated by Sage Callahan

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[edit] 1995 Japanese Grand Prix

Hi 4u1e. Two people at the current FAC suggested a "comma check" should take place. Could you possibly run through the article, and add or remove any commas which you feel should or should not be there. Thanks! D.M.N. (talk) 20:23, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review/Copyedit

Hello. I'm looking for a copyedit/peer review on the solar energy page and your name came recommended by Beagel. I'd appreciate any and all help. Mrshaba (talk) 20:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Get down with your real life self. I know how it is. Thanks for the note. Mrshaba (talk) 14:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alan Kulwicki

I've gone through the article and improved every ref that I could to more reliable sources. That caused me to find more material to expand the article. For the remaining items sourced by the "less than ideal" sources, I don't think that they are controversial so they probably won't even need to be sourced. I might remove them otherwise. I'll do a spell check and final reading, then I think it's ready for FAC. Would you recommend a second peer review? Either way, would you look it over again at the FA level, especially the statements sourced by "less than ideal" sources? Thanks for your copyediting and guidance! Royalbroil 15:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] F1POM and F1DOM

You can vote for the Formula One Picture of the Month/Driver of the Month at User talk:Chubbennaitor/F1POM and User talk:Sage Callahan/F1DOM. We really need your votes as the last picture and driver was decided. Chubbennaitor 07:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rongorongo, again

Hi 4u1e,

Rongorongo is up for FAC again. I'd appreciate your input, if you have the time. kwami (talk) 09:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Peer Review help

Thank you for you work as a peer review volunteer. Since March, there has been a concerted effort to make sure all peer review requests get some response. Requests that have gone three days or longer without a substantial response are listed at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog. I have three requests to help this continue.

1) If you are asked to do a peer review, please ask the person who made the request to also do a review, preferably of a request that has not yet had feedback. This is fairly simple, but helps. For example when I review requests on the backlog list, I close with Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). Yours, ...

2) While there are several people who help with the backlog, lately I have been doing up to 3 or 4 peer reviews a day and can not keep this up much longer. We need help. Since there are now well over 100 names on the PR volunteers page, if each volunteer reviewed just one PR request without a response from the list each month, it would easily take care of the "no response" backlog. To help spread out the load, I suggest those willing pick a day of the month and do a review that day (for example, my first edit was on the 8th, so I could pick the 8th). Please pick a peer review request with no responses yet, if possible off the backlog list. If you want, leave a note on my talk page as to which day you picked and I will remind you each month.

3) I have made some proposals to add some limits to peer review requests at Wikipedia_talk:Peer_review#Proposed_limits. The idea is to prevent any one user from overly burdening the process. These seem fairly reasonable (one PR request per editor per day, only four total PR requests per editor at a time, PR requests with cleanup banners can be delisted (like GAN quick fail), and wait two weeks to relist a PR request after it is archived), but have gotten no feedback in one week. If you have any thoughts on these, please weigh in.

Thanks again for your help and in advance for any assistance with the backlog. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 20:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lewis Hamilton

I am contacting you for your thoughts as you are one of the principal contributors to this article. As you may or may not know, it has been nominated by PheonixRMB as a featured article candidate. The FAC is not going too well, with the current consensus being that the nomination is premature and that much work needs to done to get it up to the requisite standard. I would be grateful if you would express an opinion on the article's FAC candidacy page. As FAC is currently desperately short of reviewers, withdrawing the article – and thus saving reviewer time and effort – would be one option. Thanks for your time, --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 16:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

No action now needed as PheonixRMB has withdrawn the nomination. All the best, --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 16:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thingmen

I have completed annother bit of re-writing. The more I delve into this, the more confusing it becomes, as 'Thingmen' seems to have also been used to refer to viking feudal overlords. There are also multiple stories over the unit. Anyway, rather than totally toss away all that was there, as someone had obviously done alot fo work (though only using scandanavian sources for the most part it seems), I /think/ I've got it to a good state and will port it over. What do you think? Oh, it is at User:Narson/Thingmen Narson (talk) 18:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)