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[edit] LSD

I was reading the protocol of the first LSD-Trip written by Albert Hofmann, the inventor of that drug. He starts his test at 4:20 pm on the the so called "bicycle day". This was 04/19/1943. Does any one of you ever heard of that possible origin of the 420 number? Maybe the kids of that high school choosed that time because it was the time LSD was taken the first time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.61.253.186 (talk) 08:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I also came across the same potential origin of 420, which I added to the page since it was as good a theory as any of the others presented in the article and readers should be aware of that coincidence at the very least. Unfortunately, it was deleted by another user hours after its posting. I'd be interested in learning why this was done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.251.137 (talk) 16:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

My opinion is, it has very little to do with cannabis, and, without references connecting the two, as anything other than a coincidence... (Ie, did anybody go to the statue at 4:20pm, to take acid?) -- I mean, given that there are only 144 10-minute chunks of time, per day (4:10, 4:20, 4:30)... It's not unlikely that it is just a coincidence. Frankly, I think it deserves to be taken down... Somebody else can put it back up, if they feel it deserves to be there, or if they can provid some sort of reference.

It just stands out, from the rest of the article, especially as the article is referring to cannabis culture, and not acid/LSD culture. MassesOfTheOpiate (talk) 22:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Styx

The reference to "light up" needs to be re-added. It's fully cited and if you check the links you'd see that one of the citations states that it's a "Pot 10 Classic Rock Song" Austin Chronicle. Why was it deleted? 24.99.202.64 (talk) 19:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pulp Fiction

In Pulp Fiction, all of the clocks are set to 4:20. A reference or coincidence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.254.43 (talk) 17:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Bonadea. You edited a resource and external link from 420(cannabis culture). I was attemting to add a resource/external link due to a definitive history re 420 truths and myths and a history/time-line re marijuana. Some of the site may be promotional re celebrating April 20th 2008 but the pages I tried to highlight are extremely informative especially re 420 and does dispel myths i.e Pulp Fiction clocks all set to 4:20- ( only 4:20 in Pawnshop scene ). The Time-line/history are also very informative. Please can you re look. I made mistakes trying to input the link - it is http://www.fourtwentyday.com/history_pt_1.html ( -PT_2.html for cannabis history . If allowed can you input. Thanks Rocky (Rocky Green (talk) 11:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC))

Ya, they are only set to 420 in the pawn shop scene. And even then, it could have just been 4:20. س (talk) 06:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
What? Another coincidence in a movie about drugs? How's it a coincidence that more than one clock in the scene is set to 4:20? It's a movie scene, someone set those clocks to that time on, do you honestly think any clock there actually works? Stop the ignorance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.58.126 (talk) 11:14, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
More than one clock said 420? The thing is that clock generally are set up to match each other. س (talk) 04:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
All you need to do is watch the movie and pay attention. Although the watch on Butch's wrist should show a consistant, accurate time of day it doesn't. That sequence in the movie happens in the morning, not in the afternoon. When Maynard calls Zed the time on the clock reads 9:20. As Butch escapes there is a big yellow clock, it reads about 10:07. As Butch is "shopping around" for a weapon at the counter the clock on the wall (the same one that said 9:20) as he grabs the sword reads about 10:07. These are consistant with the time of day this scene takes place in the story. As he walks down the stairs there are three clocks that you can read (one has too much glare or dirt on the front to tell), two of them are at 4:20 the third (same as the one over the gimp's shoulder in the previous scene) is hard to read, it's about 11:50 but it isn't clearly visible like the rest. There are no "happy accidents" in well-directed movies, you are meant to see those clocks read "4:20". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rossdotcom (talk • contribs) 16:23, 15 April 2008
The problem is that watching the movie and noticing a pattern and documenting it is original research, which is outside the scope of an encyclopedia. We are not creators of original research, we document what is available from already published reliable sources. Wikipedia:No original research is one of our guiding content policies. س (talk) 16:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Is a movie not a citable source? <ref>Pulp Fiction, Miramax Films, 1994.</ref> Chin Chill-A Eat Mor Rodents (talk) 15:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I think they are referring to the leap from seeing the clocks say 4:20 a few times and making the connection to cannabis culture. What we would need is some interview with the director, etc., confirming the connection. xenocidic (talk) 15:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


"No Original Research" means assertions if published are okay, but observable facts need not apply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.77.67 (talk) 12:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hitler's Birthday

Hitler was born on the 20th of April. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Somnolence (talk • contribs) 23:36, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

1 in 365.2425 people we born on April 20th. That is over 6.4 million people if you only count the living. If you count the dead then it is a lot more. س (talk) 16:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
There's an uneven distribution of births ie more people are conceived during the winter than the summer so that's not quite accurate.
That is true I suppose. Okay, allow for a range of error of 20% and my point still stands. س (talk) 15:19, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
While true it is balanced by the fact that winter in one hemisphere is summer in the other (though true because more people live in the northern hemisphere) and the fact that many people live in the tropics. Thanks, SqueakBox 21:44, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Some people who celebrate 4/20 think it's because of hitler's birthday that it's 4/20, maybe that should be included in the article? --Jim Raynor (talk) 17:41, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reliable source you can site that makes that assertion? Otherwise it would be original research. س (talk) 18:49, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure there are plenty of sources. the_undertow talk 21:31, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
I do believe he meant sources that people who celebrate 4/20 think it's because of hitler's birthday. and any self-respecting pothead will tell you hitler's birthday has nothing to do with it. xenocidic (talk) 00:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, some people celebrate the day because it's Hitler's birthday - which was an official German Holiday before any pothead was lighting up in honor of this day, and any self-respecting Neo-Nazi would tell you that today has nothing to do with weed. the_undertow talk 00:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
You may remember a little thing called the Columbine massacre. Perhaps you've heard of it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.77.67 (talk • contribs) 12:20, 8 June 2008
Ya, some guy comes a long every few days and mentions it, not really news or on-topic. 1 != 2 13:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 420 Campaign

Information about the 420 Campaign was removed on 27 March on the grounds that it was "off-topic and promotional." These claims seem unfair. I'm returning the section to the article on the grounds that various marijuana groups have recently employed the 4/20 date as one for consciousness-raising and political activity. Hiplibrarianship (talk) 03:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Other than taking the name for their cause I see no connection. All of the linked citations referred to the cause and made no reference of 420 other than naming the campaign. While I am sure the campaign has embraced 420, it does not really seem they they have much to do with the term. I have also embraced 420 in my personal life, but that does not mean I am relevant to the article. س (talk) 16:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
The article isn't about "embracing 420" -- it is about the use of the number in cannabis culture. Marijuana reform efforts (by various groups) that take place on April 20 (or encourage political action to take place on April 20) clearly fits within the scope. The naming of the campaign is tied to the April 20 date itself, specifically because that date has increasingly been associated with cannabis culture observances. The use of the 420 number/date could not be more clearly connected to cannabis culture than in the name and focus of the 420 Campaign. The section was deleted by vandalism on 15 April, and I am restoring it to the article. — Hiplibrarianship (talk) 02:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Well I think that other than the fact that they have chosen to associate themselves with 420 that there is not much else. I will however defer to the opinions of others in this matter and see if any further consensus forms. س (talk) 05:59, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lovecraft

While this is an interesting theory, it seems like original research. It has been here in the past and was removed due to lack of citation. Can it be shown that an existing reliable source sees this as connected to the cannabis culture term 420? س (talk) 13:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I just removed the following passage, of seemingly original research, since it lacked a citation:
An older origin for the term may have been from "In the Walls of Eryx" by H.P. Lovecraft, where the main character has been influenced by a "mirage-plant", loses his perception of time, then looks at his watch to see that it "was only 4:20."
I understand that the "mirage-plant" is assumed to be cannabis, but there is no source for this claim. — Hiplibrarianship (talk) 06:41, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bradley or Pasteur?

There seems to be an inaccuracy in the first paragraph: it mentions the "Bradley Elementary" statue, whereas (as implied by the picture at the bottom of the article -- why at the bottom I wonder???) it should be the Louis Pasteur statue... CielProfond (talk) 02:26, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Just someone posing, it has been corrected. Thanks for pointing it out. س (talk) 15:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
April 20 2008, G4 TV interviewed the "Waldos" and they confirmed most of what is in the article, including shots of The Actual Pasteur Statue: http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/videos/21343/The_Waldos_Truth_Behind_420.html?videoCategory_key=8 (might be good as an External Link?) 199.214.26.9 (talk) 18:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Now that is interesting. س (talk) 20:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reasons not to use it as a date for hempfests, etc.

I've heard that some reformers aren't particularly crazy about using it as a date for hempfests; for one thing, 4/20 hardly ever falls on a Saturday. I can't remember the other reasons, but being in April there is also frequently bad weather on that day. Chin Chill-A Eat Mor Rodents (talk) 15:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

It falls on a Saturday almost exactly one out of every seven years (every five or six years until the leap year that pushes it from Saturday to Monday, where there's a, I believe, 13-year gap), the same frequency as any other day. I wouldn't call that "hardly ever". Dansiman (talk|Contribs) 18:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
It is alway sunny on April 20th where I am. س (talk) 04:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Any old day is good. ⚗ Dr. StrangeBong ⚗ (talk) 00:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
The 4/20 that just passed couldn't of been a more beautiful day. Bending Unit (talk) 19:58, 30 April 2008 (UTC) Bending Unit
I don't believe the day will change because parts of North America ares till cold. If you had it on a Saturday it would have a different date each year which would remove the point. And given this won't change how does the thread help us make a better article. Thanks, SqueakBox 20:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC)