Talk:3G

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Ripped out following seriously POV paragraphs:

3G is now seen as the later child for the tech bubble in that it was a technology that was obsolete before it was deployed. It was expensive and offered no customer services that could not be provided more cheaply and better by other technologies for example 2.5G or WiFi. Even with that 10s of billions of dollars were invested in networks that no one understood what they would be used for.

Remarkably. after the failure of 3G, service providers and vendors are now sponsoring projects to identify and develop applications with customer benefit for 3G. One would have expected that with the investment that was put into 3G, such applciations would be well known. Naturally this will be to no avail since 3G has major architectural deficiencies that make it expensive to build and operate, and severely limit its utility for customers. However this research will still be beneficial since it will enable other more capable network technologies such as WiFi to better serve the user

Extract from that what you will. Jpatokal 04:32, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] 'Tech bubble'

I removed the following section as, as far as I'm aware, the last part hasn't happened (certainly not in the UK):

3G and the tech bubble

The auction of 3G licenses and radio spectrum in Europe played a significant part in the tech bubble of the late 1990s. Convinced that 3G adoption would be rapid and the profits from data massive, European telecommunications companies ploughed a total of €109 billion into the licenses alone, for a total of approximately €300 billion including equipment and marketing.

When the expected profits failed to materialize, the investors were left with nearly worthless licenses and large debts. Many companies gave up their licenses and wrote off the debt, while others have attempted to negotiate with the issuing governments over the licensing terms.

Dan100 15:24, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

Hmm? Eg. Sonera wrote off their licenses (and was forced to merge with Telia), while France Télécom and Deutsche Telekom are trying to renegotiate their licenses. What part of the above do you have problems with? Jpatokal 03:11, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of Networks

Wouldn't it be better for the list of networks to be tables as columns could be set up for each technology (eg W-CDMA; CDMA 1x; CDMA EV-DO; etc) so people can quickly see which networks are (for example) W-CDMA and which are not. I'm happy to do the changes given there is enough support for this idea.


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Article Deficient Competitive Technologies Dot Described

An article on 3G that does not mention competitive technologies such as WiFi, WiMax, mesh networks etc is deficient. 3G's problems are not technical in the sense that the technology does what its supportes says it will do. Its primary problem is that is extremely expensive and cheaper technology can do what 3G tries do and more.

At the very least an acknowedgement of teh existence of competitors (with links) should be in the artilce. To be sufficient, there should be a section describing 3Gs (and 4G, 5G etc.) limitations in the context of an analysis of the applicaiosn that will drive wirelss connectivity.


This article reads like a company newsletter rather than a neutral work of scholarship. 3G must be going from success to success if this article is any guide. There are no issues or competeing technologies identfied. This would get a student a C- for lack of insight.


[edit] Auctions

No article on the auctions themselves? I remember the UK auction where I was checking up on the current prices evey few days. It was hugely successful, in terms of revenue received by the Government, taking something like £22.5 billion ($34 billion). The auctions were designed by Paul Klemperer (lots of info there) and Ken Binmore. Other nations tried to follow suit with similarly designed auctions, but (apart from Germany) they all failed to work as well for various reasons.

http://www.cramton.umd.edu/papers2000-2004/01nao-cramton-report-on-uk-3g-auction.pdf UK auction format

[edit] Atrocious Grammar

I tried going in and correcting some of the grammatical error and lack of subject/verb agreements, but it was too much. Forget company newsletter (as mentioned in a previous comment), this article reads like a 7th grade book report. It needs major revisions to approach par with normal wiki articles.

Agreed, there are many problems, some of which would require someone familiar with the subject (as well as grammar) to correct. Many sentences are run-on and/or suffer from excessive or misplaced commas and faulty parallelism. For someone unfamiliar with some aspects of the subject matter, these pitfalls make this article very difficult to correct. The 7th grade book report description is apt and suggests a possible problem often seen in such writing. The 'academic' tone of the writing coupled with the bad grammar and sentence structure gives me the impression that writer lifted much of the text and merely reworded/rearranged some of it in order to disguise plagiarism/laziness. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.191.29.235 (talk) 14:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Merge

3G phone should be merged here. Mathiastck 17:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Note: done; now it's a redirect. Stub had no verifiable content. --IReceivedDeathThreats (talk) 16:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Huawei advertising?

Don't know what the rules are on advertising companies services, but the whole "3G External Modems" block sounds like product placement to me. Nrubdarb 07:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you. That section should be deleted.81.93.93.63 00:11, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Have evolution to 3G merged here?

The article evolution to 3G is unsourced, and reads like someone's research paper. I propose that it be merged into the Background section of this article. Kimchi.sg 07:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] implications

the whole implications section is written with peacock wording, from a sort of defensive-of-3G point of view. is the section even salvageable or should it be junked? Morwen - Talk 07:53, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

In fact the entire article has tone issues. Does someone fancy going back in history and finding when the last good version was, and reverting to it? Morwen - Talk 07:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Not only is the language poorly chosen, the section repeats a lot of material from the rest of the article. Because of that, I'm inclined to say the section may even be a copyvio. Regardless, it didn't seem to add anything significant to the article, so I've removed it altogether. —INTRIGUEBLUE (talk|contribs) 03:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] 2.75G

Does 2.75 G exist? It's what I consider Cingular. Mathiastck 07:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC) 2.5G is GPRS, and EDGE often gets referred to as 2.75G Phooto 12:32, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What to do about the removed "Beyond 3G", "3.5G" and "5G" articles?

See the discussion in Talk:4G#What to do about the removed "Beyond 3G", "3.5G" and "5G" articles?. Mange01 (talk) 11:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why so much detail under the "evolution to 3G" section?

Do we really want info on 3G itself in the "evolution to 3G" section?

There seems to be a distinct lack in this article of general information on what 3G is. I've shuffled the sections a little to attempt to start that - if you disagree with my attempt but agree that the previous setup was wrong, don't revert - modify!

ps. I've moved sections without changing information in sections. 3 reasons

  1. No textual changes means you don't have to worry about words or sentences I might have changed - just the positions
  2. The rearrangement makes it more obvious where there's repetition or more information is needed
  3. Now we can change the text and do a diff to see what's actually been changed. Otherwise it's impossible to track.

Greg (talk) 23:13, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 3G article should be MUCH shorter

This article should be really short. Essentially explain what 3G is, and then link it out to the multitude of information out there on Wikipedia already.

In practical terms, it could probably just link to UMTS (GSM base) and EVDO (CDMA based) 3G networks, along with IMT links. Some of our content would need to be moved to those pages of course.

Anyone agree/disagree? Greg (talk) 13:31, 2 May 2008 (UTC)