Talk:36th Engineer Brigade (United States)

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36th Engineer Brigade (United States) was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Reviewed version: May 1, 2008
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[edit] Good Article Review

While this is a "good" article (and a better article than the 15th), it does not meet the necessary benchmark for a "Good Article".

  • Uncited statements like "The 36th is the only unit that has been organized in all three command structures that are commanded by a Colonel in the U.S. Army; regiment, group, and brigade."
  • No explanation for its lack of participation in Vietnam, possibly I'm being dense as a non-American and don't understand the intricacies, but it seems like a complete lack of information on its role from 1954 until its deactivation in 1972.
  • Photos of the brigade in Korea and WWII would be a nice touch, and probably found with minimal effort.
  • Similarly, could be improved with some non-DOD references about the brigade in the news and such.

It's a great read, and definitely shows improvement - I'd encourage a few weeks of dedicated editing and then consider re-nominating this article! :) Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 22:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

As a GA reviewer myself, I find these reasonings by themselves somewhat shaky for automatically failing the GA. These things can be fixed with little effort, and the most prudent procedure would have been to put the article on "Hold" to prevent the wasting of time that it will be to re-quee them. I will fix them and renominate -Ed!(talk)(Hall of Fame) 23:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] First GA Issues

For the next revewer, so it doesn't look like I just ignored the above review:

  • Uncited statements like "The 36th is the only unit that has been organized in all three command structures that are commanded by a Colonel in the U.S. Army; regiment, group, and brigade."
    • That statement was in the lead section, thus should not be cited per WP:LEAD. With the statement in question, no citation is required, as the fact that a Colonel commands these groups can be verified in other wikipedia articles.
  • No explanation for its lack of participation in Vietnam, possibly I'm being dense as a non-American and don't understand the intricacies, but it seems like a complete lack of information on its role from 1954 until its deactivation in 1972.
    • No explination is necessary; the Army had no demand for additional units of this type. The unit was likely garrisoned stateside during this time period, and there is no notable information about it. I have added a sentence in the article clarifying this.
  • Photos of the brigade in Korea and WWII would be a nice touch, and probably found with minimal effort.
    • Hypothetical. The article has sufficient illustration per WP:GACR and there is no policy stating that illustration is needed for every detail in the article. That said, there were no images I could find that depicted this unit specifically that I could find and upload without violating policy on fair use.
  • Similarly, could be improved with some non-DOD references about the brigade in the news and such.
    • Trying to satisfy WP:NPOV and WP:SOURCES for this article is difficult, as there are few non-government webites covering this information that are reliable. Even so, no one has ever used COI as a reason to fail anything other than an FA. I am open to anyone's suggestions as to additional reliable sources on this subject, and if the next reader chooses to hold the GA for this reason alone, I will try and locate other sources.
-Ed!(talk)(Hall of Fame) 23:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

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At any point during this review, let us know if we recommend any edits, including markup, punctuation and language, that you feel don't fit with your writing style. Thanks for your time. - Dan Dank55 (talk)(mistakes) 04:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Failed GA

I'm sorry, but I am going to have to fail this article. There is a major amount of red links, it could stand to be more thouroughly sourced, and it could be expanded. Fix these problems, and then renominate. Cheers, ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ Drop me a line§ 14:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

An entirely unhelpful and ambigous review. Please be more specific as to what exactly I need to expand and source. -Ed!(talk)(Hall of Fame) 23:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)