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[edit] May 2008

Hi, the recent edit you made to Danny verpaele has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thanks. —paranomiahappy harry's high club 22:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of Travis Parrott

A tag has been placed on Travis Parrott requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] update

I have removed the speedy deletion tag from the article that you created. See what I said at the article's talkpage. I also noticed that you've created other articles of people with unclear notability. I would like to discuss the notability guideline with you for your future creations. I must turn in for the night right now, so maybe we'll discuss it tommorow. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 06:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Travis Parrott

I have nominated Travis Parrott, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Travis Parrott. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice?  RGTraynor  13:17, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


Woops, sorry, I posted on your page, I should've written here. I'll copy/paste what I said here. I just wanted to know why you wanted to delete the Travis Parrott article that I wrote. If thats the case, then why not delete Tim Tebows page? He is the quarterback for the University of Florida. He does not compete in the NFL yet he has a big page. Or how about Matt Grothe, QB for the University of South Florida. He competes at the college level as well.

I just want to make sure because I see a ton of pages that have been up for quite some time. Yet the first big article that I wrote, which took about 5 hours for Parrott, and its going for deletion. I hope you can understand where im coming from here. I just want to know more information so I can not have my articles deleted, thank you.

(321Baseball (talk) 21:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Further update

Hi. I now see that another editor had nominated it for deletion. It will probably wind up being deleted because it doesn't meet the notability standard. If you want to fight it, your best argument is that he is an award-winning college athlete so he's notable. But his college awards don't look to be that significant, so I don't think it will be a successful argument.

I will leave alone the other articles that you've created, even though they are close calls, but there's a good chance that another editor will pick up on it, and then there's nothing much I can do about it.

Please familiarize yourself with the notability standard of athletes and of people of general. I don't want you to go through this again. You've obviously worked hard on the articles, and it is most frustrating to have your hard work go in the garbage. Here are some links: Wikipedia:Notability (people), Wikipedia:Notability (sports).

The Running Man Barnstar
New editor, User:321Baseball, is hereby awarded with this star for hard work in creating bios of sports atheltes. brewcrewer (yada, yada) 16:35, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Satellite High School

First of all, let me thank you for your contributions to this article. Hard to get quality updates to high schools.

Names are generally erased from all articles that are not about the person themself (sorry about the grammar!). Each article needs to focus on the subject of the article. So except for "notables", "someone" won a relay award giving a high school tops in the state. The "someone" goes unmentioned because it has no long term effect on the school (or other article) itself. This is true throughout Wikipedia. Sometimes this is not possible, but I don't want to mention exceptions at this point.

This is why the teachers were eliminated. Every school has them. the article should be unique (another reason for eliminating a list of teachers). Bailey's accomplishment was so notable, that it is probably not possible to ignore him, a rare exception to the rule. Probably should have a small article. But the quote is too much and detracts, not adds, to the SB article. It makes Bailey (and Clinton) more important than SBHS. In other words, SBHS becomes a derivative accomplishment of Bailey and Clinton. Without them, the school is nothing! That is the implication. And Clinton is just too big for the article. Had Clinton visited, it might become impossible to not mention him!

But the quote would go into Bailey's article most definitely. And the SBHS article would link to that bio, so the info doesn't have to get lost.

Suggestion: start a stub article for Bailey.

The teachers (sorry) are toast!  :) We do list current (and past) principals just for the record.

Again, thanks for improving the article. Hope this helps to explain. Never quite sure when my edit summary is inadequate for the job. Tried to do too much in one edit, I suspect. Sorry. Student7 (talk) 14:19, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Google testing

Hello; I just thought I'd mention this here, since it isn't particularly pertinent to the AfD. Our first line of defense when testing for notability is indeed Google, although one always needs to take Google results with a grain of salt, since they're heavily biased in favor of people gaining prominence in the Internet era. What I myself do is view the last page of results, as that gives a true indication of the total unique hits, and I generally scan through the first hundred results. Newspaper or magazine articles will almost always turn up in that stretch, if they exist, as well as any books on the subject, which come out as hits to a relevant Amazon.com link. I also always use Advanced Search; a lot of people would use "Travis" + "Parrott", which would return a ton of irrelevant links, where "Travis Parrott" is more accurate, and "Travis Parrott" + "baseball" more accurate yet.

Any more tips I can give you, feel free to ask.  RGTraynor  14:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)