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[edit] Welcome!

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[edit] User Page help?

I noticed you liked my "Places I've Been" Flags table :) Do you want some help editing it? -- UKPhoenix79 21:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Ohh Yes I do. İt will be nice.--3210 07:08, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Well give me a list of what countries/flags you want including but not limited to: Lived/Live in, Visited Countries, Visited American States, Visited Inside the United Kingdom, Ancestory, etc. Talk to you leter -- UKPhoenix79 08:50, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
livid in: england,turkey
visited: germany, france, holland, belgium, austuria, sırbia, makedonia, greece, bulgaria, switzherland, georgia, --3210 15:28, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok it looks finished :) If you want to look at the code it will help you understand how I created this. Also there is a useful help page that can aid you if you want to edit an existing table or help you create your own. -- UKPhoenix79 16:56, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ptolemaida

Hi, I'm an American trying to understand your Ptolemaida edits and translate them better. For instance, "Etimoloji" should be "Etymology" and "taked" should be "taken" (the people of Ptolemaida might prefer "liberated", but I'll let Greeks and Turks decide that.)

No Wikipedia main article pages have signatures, and your signature will have to be removed. Here is a quote from Wikipedia policy: "you should not sign edits you make to regular articles". But it's OK (and expected) to sign talk pages like this one.

Here's another part I don't understand:

Karafere war
Gianitta war
Kumanova war
population
population exchange

The word Karafere, for instance, doesn't even appear on Google. If you think someone will someday write articles on those wars, a better place for the redlinks would be in a "See also" section. "Population", "population exchange" and the dates look like reminders to yourself to add more information, but the article will look weird until we add the information or delete the reminders. Similarly, the new heading ==Villagias== has no text in its section. Also, Villagias isn't an English word - did you mean Villages? Art LaPella 20:50, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Kemal Öz

Nüfus ve vatandaşlık işlerinin sayfasında yazım hatasında dolayı Kemal Öz olarak yazılmış. Yasada Kemal öz adlı olarak geçmektedir.radikal gazetesi--Hattusili 20:56, 18 May 2006 (UTC)



[edit] Re: Proposed deletion of Eyüp Sabri Kartal

Since you are, I believe, none other than User:Eculum, creator of the article being proposed for deletion here, I thought I'd post this message to you as well.

I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Eyüp Sabri Kartal, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Importance). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree, discuss the issues raised at Talk:Eyüp Sabri Kartal. If you remove the {{dated prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. —Saposcat 20:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Mr. Kartal.
I'm leaving this message to let you know that, although I've nominated your page for deletion, I did not do it out of spite or ill will or any other sort of bad intentions. I did it—I admit—partly because I am something of an exclusionist as regards Wikipedia: I do not believe that any district governor (i.e. kaymakam) or equivalent, in whatever place, either needs or deserves an encyclopedia article. Also, to be honest, I did it because I was suspicious—owing to the page's content—that it might have been a vanity page. More than that, however, my nomination for deletion was probably born out of my unfamiliarity with the fact that, in fact, many mayors and so forth of many much smaller places than Beşikdüzü have articles on Wikipedia that have avoided deletion. I still do not agree that they belong there ... but it is ultimately, as you know, not up to me, but other Wikipedians, to decide.
In the hopes of showing you that I bear you no ill will whatsoever, I have created Template:User osm-3 for you, since that was listed in your Babel languages as a dead link. Regards. —Saposcat 23:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beer

Hi 3210 - as you see, I am trying to explain them that your article is legitimate but I do not much believe in success. I write this only to tell you: keep up a good work, and do not worry - most of the opponents do not understand the reality in this part of world. If you will be by chance in Prague, I will pay you a beer :-) --Ioannes Pragensis 18:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry to be late replay.From my personel point Afd doesn't metter for Eyüp Sabri Kartal article. In my opinion every managers bios should be in WP.Also Kaymakams defenetly shold be in WP for local historian sake.How local historians get informations abaout their governors?Thank you for your strong support and efforts for Eyüp Sabri Kartal's article.Thanks.--3210 08:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eyüp Sabri Kartal

Some of your changes to this page require translation into more Standard English... please visit the talk page at the article before you revert it. I'm willing to work with you to get the text into a form that is readable by a native English speaker.--Isotope23 18:37, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I have noticied it now.--3210 08:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


  • With respect, I do not yet see evidence put up against the discussion on the AfD of the level of governorship. (And please don't lecture me on how small European states are - I live in Cyprus!) Vizjim 17:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Proposed Ottoman Wikipedia

Although I think an Ottoman Turkish Wikipedia would be very interesting (if somewhat strange insofar as it is, for the most part if not entirely, an extinct language—perhaps no stranger, though, than the Latin or Klingon Wikipedias), frankly speaking my Ottoman skills are not up to the task, as I cannot really write it with any confidence, particularly in the Perso-Arabic script (which any Ottoman Wikipedia would necessarily have to be in). There may well be several users at the Turkish Wikipedia, though, who would be more capable of assisting you in such a project. All the best. —Saposcat 10:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beer (cont.)

Hi, and thank you for the response! When do you plan to visit Prague? I will be happy to see a Turkish Wikipedian here :-) --Ioannes Pragensis 15:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ottoman Wiki!

Hello, 3210!

Browsing Wikipedia, I have seen that you speak Ottoman very well. I want to ask you if you can log onto Metawiki and add you support to my proposal for an Ottoman Wikipedia here. I want users to add support for this Wiki, and I hope that if it becomes reality, Ottoman learners like you will help in it's development. Please add your support soon! --Fox Mccloud 17:49, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

By the way, can you translate Template:User osm-1 in to Ottoman Turkish? It seems to be in Modern Turkish right now. Thanks in advance.--Fox Mccloud 17:53, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Your welcome. I ask of you in return to please do the request above, and contribute to the test wiki here: [2] --Fox Mccloud 20:38, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Bayramiye

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You might consider creating a user sandbox or subpage for articles in process, Wikipedia:User page#How do I create a user subpage?, otherwise entires like this will often be deleted without prejudice. Best prepare it in a sandbox or subpage until it's ready to be published as an article. SkierRMH 09:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Konya

Selam 3210,

You added some information about Konya vilayet to the Konya article, although it wasn't specific to the city itself. Therefore, I have moved the text to Konya Province, Ottoman Empire, where I think is a more appropriate place for it. Cheers, Khoikhoi 08:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kailar

Because it was a POV fork of the Ptolemaida article; not to mention the fact that it was largely illegible. Khoikhoi 04:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Balkan wars

3210, I have the impression that you do not understand how an encyclopedia is supposed to work. Please stick to statements that can be verified from reliable sources. The takeover of a town by a hostile conquerer, especially if dominated by a different ethnic group, will regularly lead to atrocities. The fate of the Turkish inhabitants of Kailar after the Greek takeover is of course an important aspect of the article. Please, provide some reliable sources of the events of that period, and describe them in a more neutral fashion. Qualifiers such as beautiful, attractive; gracious, pleasing men do not belong here. (I assume the there were some beautiful, attractive; gracious, pleasing men also among Greeks, as it will be the case with any other group of humans).  Andreas  (T) 19:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Mr Andreas, I have also the impression that you do not understand how an ancyclopedia is supported to work without greek propoganda. During the I.WW Nationalities were discovered that knowledge can be a propoganda material. Infact All of the the referances have been written by me are relaible sources. Unforcuannatly You deleted many times of the Kailar article which sorced from encyclopedia brittanica 1911 edition. The true that it is the most relaible encyclopedia edition in the world. Because knowlodge in 1911 edition of the Ansiklopedia Brittanica did not used for propoganda material . So that they wrote abaout turks " sober, order, self desiplinied, they show the best caracter of the race ". Also ı have to mantion that turks handsome, beautiful, attractive; gracious, pleasing men . Because turks the most arian race in the world. You said (I assume the there were some , beautiful, attractive; gracious, pleasing men also among Greeks, as it will be the case with any other group of humans). if you did not mixed with turks you could not be such spesipication. I could give you some pictures of pure turkish Kailar people. you will see how they were handsome.[3] (In Persian, turk, in addition to the national name, also could mean "a beautiful youth), Do not tell me all anatolian people as arian turk User:3210 17:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
You have not yet answered the important questions. Which sources talk about the move of the population to the mountains? Does this source say if they were forced to leave the town, by what means, and where the went (which mountains)? Did they leave before or after the conquest of the town? Are there more than one independent sources describing the incident? I also still miss the clarifications I asked for at Talk:Ptolemaida#Attempt to copy-edit Ottoman section, in particular the meaning of the words "komshi" and "halalleshma".  Andreas  (T) 14:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I have refered that the Consulat of British in Thesellanico mesajed to London about atrocities.look at all Brittish archives.İf they say one you could easally think it is ten times worse than they said. See also: McCarty, "Death and Exile" book. -- 3210  (T) 09:04, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Could you please give us more specific information, such as complete bibliographic references. "Death and Exile" is considered turkish POV, so more British sources would be welcome.  Andreas  (T) 15:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
"Death and Exile" could be greek POV, not Turkish POV. Because Europe and Americans think themselves as they are children of greek nation. At least mentally-- 3210  (T) 06:42, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Osmanlıca Viki

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--Tarih 16:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Anabasis

I see that you uploaded [[Anabasis. It would be nice if it could be incorporated into Wikisource at s:Anabasis. I could do it if you agree. I know how to cut this into chapters using meta:pywikipedia software.  Andreas  (T) 14:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Mr Andreas . thank you so much for incorperation invation .it is very nice of you .I am sory not to be incorperated such a good talk. Infact I haven't much time to do this task beyond my public serveces. I also only interested in the black sea chapter of Anabasis. --3210 12:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ptolemaida

Hi, I see you put back a lot into this article that I had removed. The reason I removed it (as I mentioned in the edit summary) is that it is not specific to Ptolemaida -- in fact, it is copied straight out of the Encyclopedia Britannica 11th edition article on Macedonia. It doesn't make sense for every city and town in Macedonia to have a copy of this text. Could you please remove this text again or explain why you think it should be kept? Thanks, --Macrakis 19:58, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

the article is definitly about kailar as you know cuma beys definition are commenley used for kailar population. formel name of kailar was "kaza-i cuma" .it means the district of cuma not kailar. but people commenly uses kailar and than this name used publicly for the city.Because of the city population is originially came from kai traibe. I am the member of this erdermuş villiage of kailar family.they were beys from Ayyubid destiny from urfa. if you look at some urfalı surname in turkey that they came orriginially from kailar at 1926 to turkey if you look at the "tahrir defteri" in archive of ottoman state you can see this argument true. I gave you some firman of sultans on kailar city. Please if you don't know anything about kailar please do not change the article.--3210 21:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)




[edit] Concerning Turkish Constitutional Court President Pages

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Plaese be calm down. The article is still stub. İt will be better. --User:3210.]]T C 05:49, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dear 3210,


Of course I am interesting all the subjects which you interested in. I am interested in all Turkey related subjects, I have more than 2K article in my watchlist.
I am watching your works also.You are trying to do somethings, but you generally choose copy paste from another article or from external sources. This is not a credible way and against to wiki rules, like as; Wikipedia:Content forking. The best way is to write article with your ownd words/sentences(no matter; good english or not, another users can help about grammar etc.), to find copyright-free images and sorces for your work.
In this manner, we can colloborate on all areas in wiki. Regards.happy editing.Must.T C 09:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually not to choose copy paste . but ı have no time to fininsh what i think to write. As a biginning i coppied some part but later i made it better, stronger with my words of course . --3210 01:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Refik Saydam

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You need more than this to make an article. Expand it and I will pull the tag. A1octopus 18:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Uncategorised Stubs

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[edit] Serdar

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Serdar is a military range in Ottoman Empire. It means a head(ser) of patriot (dar). They especially were been at boarders of Ottoman Empire. They had the head of responsibility for security of dar (partriot) Such as Yakup Ağa who father of Barbaros from Yenice . For example: Serdar-ı Vardar.It means vardar's serdar. It uses as a man name in Turkey.

[edit] Template

Dear 3210,

here is template for grandvisiers of Ottoman Empire.{{Grand_Viziers_of_Ottoman_Empire}}.This is raw and need to be developed especially links in templates must be corrected.I think you will be interested in. regards.Must.T C 18:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Margaritis calling

Thanx a lot my friend for your interesting lines. I just noticed your message today. Stay in touch and regards! Apostolos Margaritis 19:31, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] قایلر

Just wanted to confirm that the target for the redirect was Ptolemaida. I saw you had it to Kailar but that is a redirect to Ptolemaida. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 05:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Kayılar_el_çizimi.jpg

[edit] Translation

Hi 3210.. I've been editing now and then Yoruk and now I came across this fragment in Turkish about these Yoruks reffered to also as Mican (mocan,mucan,macanoğulları,micanoğulları) yörüklerinden or "karamanli Mocan". If you've got a bit of time could you very briefly translate the meaning of it/ Are these "Mocan" a branch of the Yoruks? Many thanks..Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 20:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Avdan Dinar

Avdan Köyü Mican (mocan,mucan,macanoğulları,micanoğulları) yörüklerinden olup, mocan aşiretide Danişment boyuna bağlıdır. Daniştmend beyliğinin 1178 yılında Selçuklular tarafından yıkılması sonucu 22 oymaktan oluştuğu sanılan Danişmend boyları dağılmaya başlamışlardır.Daha sonra özellikle anadolunun batısına yerleştirilmeleri için Fermanlar yayınlanmıştır.(1659,1691 ve 1695 fermanları.) Bu hususta verilen ferman 18 Nisan 1691 tarihini taşımaktadır. İskân memuriyetine evvelâ Karaman Valisi ve Anadolu Beyler-beyisi memur edilmişti. Fakat Bağdat valisi Vezir Ahmet Paşaya verildi. Danişmentli ulusundan iskânları ferman olunan oymaklar şunlardı: Büyük Sermayeli, Küçük Sermayeli, Karalu, Cevanşir, KAŞIKÇI, Gölegir, Mihmandlı, Kürdü, Büyük Süleyman, Gördün göre, Karamanlı Mocan oymakları. "Rum (Sivas) vilâyetindeki Danişmentli Türkmenleri: Karaca-Kürd, Herekli, Boynu-lncelü, Sarıçalı, Kürtili, Kebir ve Sagir San dıklı, Büyük Salarlu, Küçük Salarlu, Şerefli, Durdu-Hüseyinlü, Veliler ve diğer bir Kaşıkçı oymağı olmak üzere 22 oymaktan iba retti. Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 20:32, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Dear Apostolos Margaritis , I am sory to reply lately. Mucan or mocan could be a branch of yoruks. Becouse our some part of destiny came from Karaman and the other came from Urfa. Yoruks are also exist in Karaman.

Translation of the paragraph (if i can do) Avdan Villiage is from Mican (mocan,mucan,macanoğulları,micanoğulları) yoruks , mocan aşireti is belong to de Danişment boyuna. Danişmend beyship were abolished in 1178 by Seljukians. So that 22 oymaktan oluştuğu sanılan Danişmend boyları dağılmaya başlamışlardır.Daha sonra özellikle anadolunun batısına yerleştirilmeleri için Fermanlar yayınlanmıştır.(1659,1691 ve 1695 fermanları.) Bu hususta verilen ferman 18 Nisan 1691 tarihini taşımaktadır. İskân memuriyetine evvelâ Karaman Valisi ve Anadolu Beyler-beyisi memur edilmişti. Fakat Bağdat valisi Vezir Ahmet Paşaya verildi. Danişmentli ulusundan iskânları ferman olunan oymaklar şunlardı: Büyük Sermayeli, Küçük Sermayeli, Karalu, Cevanşir, KAŞIKÇI, Gölegir, Mihmandlı, Kürdü, Büyük Süleyman, Gördün göre, Karamanlı Mocan oymakları. "Rum (Sivas) vilâyetindeki Danişmentli Türkmenleri: Karaca-Kürd, Herekli, Boynu-lncelü, Sarıçalı, Kürtili, Kebir ve Sagir San dıklı, Büyük Salarlu, Küçük Salarlu, Şerefli, Durdu-Hüseyinlü, Veliler ve diğer bir Kaşıkçı oymağı olmak üzere 22 oymaktan iba retti.

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Merhabalar, sanırım yukarıda sözü geçen resim eğer gerekli rasyonali eklemezsek bir hafta içinde silinecek. Resmi nereden yüklediğinizi hatırlıyorsanız bana internet adresini verebilir misiniz? Resmin kaynağını öğrenirsek sanırım bir şeyler yapabiliriz. Teşekkürler. --Chapultepec (talk) 23:30, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Tekrar merhabalar, resim olayını çözmüşsünüz sanırım. Bir de yörük maddesinde sorunumuz var. İlgili maddenin Kailar Yörüks bölümüne geçenlerde isimsiz bir kullanıcı fact etiketleri ekledi. Maddede bu bölümle ilgili bir kaynak bulamadığım için ilgili bölüme bir referans ekleyemedim. Sanırım bu konuda sizin bilginiz fazla. Eğer bildiğiniz bir kaynak varsa ilgili bölüme iliştirebilir misiniz? Eğer isterseniz benimle kendi sayfamdan bağlantıya geçebilirsiniz. Teşekkürler. --Chapultepec (talk) 01:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Bu bilgilerin tamımına yakını Osmanlı ve Bizans arşivlerinde mevcuttur. Hatta Türklerin ilk müslüman planlarının Rumeliye yerleştirilmesi olayıda ilginçtir. Yörük maddesine ilişkin bazı kaynak bilgileri aşağıdadır:The 1911 Edition of Encyclopaedia Britannica about Yuruks, Kailars and Konariotes

see link {{cquote2| The first Turkish immigration from Asia Minor took place under the Byzantine emperors before the conquest of the country. The first purely Turkish town, Yenije-Vardar, was founded on the ruins of Vardar in 1362. After the capture of Salonica (1430), a strong Turkish population was settled in the city, and similar colonies were founded in Monastir, Ochrida, Serres, Drama and other important places. In many of these towns half or more of the population is still Turkish. A series of military colonies were subsequently established at various points of strategic importance along the principal lines of communication. Before 1360 large numbers of nomad shepherds, or Yuruks, from the district of Konia, in Asia Minor, had settled in the country; their descendants are still known as Konariotes. Further immigration from this region took place from time to time up to the middle of the 18th century.

After the establishment of the feudal system in 1397 many of the Seljuk noble families came over from Asia Minor; their descendants may be recognized among the beys or Moslem landowners in southern Macedonia .

At the beginning of the 18th century the Turkish population was very considerable, but since that time it has continuously decreased. A low birth rate, the exhaustion of the male population by military service, and great mortality from epidemics, against which Moslem fatalism takes no pre-cautions, have brought about a decline which has latterly been hastened by emigration

The Turkish rural population is found in three principal groups:

  • the most easterly extends from the Mesta to Drama, Pravishta and Orfano, reaching the sea-coast on either side of Kavala, which is partly Turkish, partly Greek.
  • The second, or central group begins on the sea-coast, a little west of the mouth of the Strymon, where a Greek population intervenes, and extends to the north-west along the Kara-Dagh and Belasitza ranges in the direction of Strumnitza, Veles, Shtip and Radovisht.
  • The third, or southern, group is centred around KAILAR, an entirely Turkish town, and extends from Lake Ostrovo to Selfije (Servia). The second and third groups are mainly composed of Konariot shepherds. Besides these fairly compact settlements there are numerous isolated Turkish colonies in various parts of the country. THE TURKISH RURAL POPULATION IS quiet, SOBER and ORDERLY, PRESENTING SOME OF THE BEST CHARACTERISRICS OF THE RACE .

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The Byzantines retained the southern regions and Salonica, which temporarily fell into the hands of the Saracens in 904. With the exception of the 1 Also Alexander, Perdiccas, Philip, &c. maritime districts, the whole of Macedonia formed a portion of the empire of the Bulgarian tsar Simeon (893-927); the Bulgarian power declined after his death, but was revived in western Macedonia under the Shishman dynasty at Ochrida; Tsar Samuel (976-1014), the third ruler of that family, included in his dominions Uskiib, Veles, Vodena and Melnik. After his defeat by the emperor Basil II. in 1014 Greek domination was established for a century and a half. The Byzantine emperors endeavoured to confirm their positions by Asiatic colonization; Turkish immigrants, afterwards known as Vardariotes, the first of their race who appeared in Macedonia, were settled in the neighbourhood of Salonica in the 9th century; colonies of Uzes, Petchenegs and Kumans were introduced at various periods from the 11th to the 13th century. While Greeks and Bulgarians disputed the mastery of Macedonia the Vlachs, in the 10th century, established an independent state in the Pindus region, which, afterwards known as Great Walachia, continued to exist till the beginning of the 14th century. In 1185 southern Macedonia was exposed to a raid of the Normans under William of Sicily, who captured Salonica and massacred its inhabitants. After the taking of Constantinople in 1204 by the Franks of the fourth crusade, the Latin empire of Romania was formed and the feudal kingdom of Thessalonica was bestowed on Boniface, marquis of Montferrat; this was overthrown in 1222 by Theodore, despot of Epirus, a descendant of the imperial house of the Comneni, who styled himself emperor of Thessalonica and for some years ruled over all Macedonia. He was defeated and captured by the Bulgarians in 1230 and the remnant of his possessions, to which his son John succeeded, was absorbed in the empire of Nicaea in 1234. Bulgarian rule was now once more established in Macedonia under the powerful monarch Ivan Asen II. (1218-1241) whose dynasty, of Vlach origin, had been founded at Trnovo in 1186 after a revolt of the Vlachs and Bulgars against the Greeks. A period of decadence followed the extinction of the Asen dynasty in 1257; the Bulgarian power was overthrown by the Servians at Velbuzhd (1330), and Macedonia was included in the realm of the great Servian tsar Dushan (1331-1355) who fixed his capital at Uskiib. Dushan's empire fell to pieces after his death, and the anarchy which followed prepared the way for the advance of the Turks, to whom not only contending factions at Constantinople but Servian and Bulgarian princes alike made overtures.

Macedonia and Thrace were soon desolated by Turkish raids; when it was too late the Slavonic states combined against the invaders, but their forces, under the Servian tsar Lazar, were routed at Kossovo in 1389 by the sultan Murad I. Salonica and Larissa were captured in 1395 by Murad's son Bayezid, whose victory over Sigismund of Hungary at Nicopolis in 1396 sealed the fate of the peninsula. The towns in the Struma valley were yielded to the Turks by John VII. Palaeologus in 1424; Salonica was taken for the last time in 1428 by Murad II |[5] -- 3210  (T) 19:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Open Society

Hi - I nominated Category:Open Society (which you created) for deletion. As a category, it's a little vague, and it doesn't look like it's going to be populated any time soon. Categories are supposed to be defining attributes--see WP:CAT. I think this might work better in terms of beefing up the Open society article. However, your opinions and thoughts would be welcome at the CFD. --Lquilter (talk) 04:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tımar-ı Pervane at Erdemuş

3210: I know it has been some time, but would you be able to explain your edit at Pervane: "Ottoman Archivies about Tımar-ı Pervane in Erdemuş (Ardamuş) Village of Kailar or Kayılar of Manastır." I am familiar with the region of Ptolemaida but am having a hard time understanding its connection to the Pervâne. Regards, Aramgar (talk) 19:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

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