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[edit] Page title

I moved the page from 300 (comics) to 300 (graphic novel) as this seemed a much more appropriate title. Hope no one minds. Oskar 17:50, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, we've got a naming convention which means it should be at 300 (comics). Wikipedia:Naming conventions (comics). Hiding The wikipedian meme 18:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough, Ill move it back. Oskar 20:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Why is it now at 300 (comic book) then? rst20xx 08:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Everything was pointing to comic book, so I fixed the last 10 entries.


[edit] Vandal

Someone Vandalized it, but I fixed it, although it should probably be reworked. I just cut out the profanity.

[edit] Non-human, zombie-like creatures?

I just reread this graphic novel, and I'm at a loss as to who the "non-human, zombie-like creatures" are supposed to be. Although Miller's drawing style was certainly flamboyant, all of the people in the story were recognizably human. Ephialtes had severe deformities, and the Laconian monks were filthy wretches, but they weren't zombies!

The non-human zombie dudes are supposed to be the Persian Immortals

I'm pretty sure Xerxes isn't black in the comic like the article says, but I haven't read the original myself so I'm not sure. Certainly the movie Xerxes is Brazilian and doesn't have dark skin. The obvious black guy in the trailer is a Persian Emissary. Could someone check the graphic novel and make appropriate edits? LadyPhi 00:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] article

xerxes isn't the black dude. maybe in the comic, but a white guy plays xerxes and a black guy plays an emissary (oldschool diplomat). --Blambloom 00:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)--Blambloom 00:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Differences with actual history

Should there not be a comparison? For one, Spartans were not homophobic often preferring males to females as females were weak and frail. Also, in the actual Battle of Thermopylae had more than 300 soldiers. Just to inform people and make this article more than just a brief summary of a piece of work. I'm adding the section but remove if unwanted. I think it's a good idea. Zuracech lordum 04:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Once we've got a plot summary, I'd agree that this would be useful - we can link to the article(s) covering the actual history, but it's also worth explaining the differences. Especially as, if memory serves, they caused some controversy at the time... --Mrph 22:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I would recommend using reliable sources to address historical inaccuracies. These do not include side-by-side comparisons of a source speaking in general about the Battle of Thermopylae, and an editor pointing out the contradiction in the comic book. The source should include a direct comparison between the actual event and the comic book. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 22:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Um, is there going to be a reference for that "90%" crap? It's very contentious how historically accurate 300 is; it's fine to point out why the innaccuracies MIGHT be there (as the user does), but to just assign a percentage (a high percentage, I might add) to the historical accuracy without a reference only highlights the authors bias. Where did he/she get this statistic from? What were the criteria for deriving this percentage? Presumably, very little of the dialogue would be accurate (and for good reasons: none of the Spartans had a detailed biographer); what exactly does this "90%" stuff refer to, EVEN IF we were to grant it was accurate? I think the author did a good job on two points: 1. Describing how the historical innaccuracies MIGHT be defended, and 2. Pointing out specific innaccuracies. If the author wants to do more, and point out the ACCURACIES, he/she would be doing a productive thing. But we needn't know the author's own personal bias.

[edit] Plot synopsis?

Where's the plot synopsis? I didn't realise it wasn't there until I saw that the differences with actual history was the first sub-section. Someone please write up a plot synopsis to appease any curious readers.Zuracech lordum 04:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Historical Innacuracies

Although this is pure fiction (like Apacalytpo) and a comic, there needs to be a historical inaccuracy section because the errors are significant and numerous. This innacuracy page could also be used for the film, which is based slide by slide on the comic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.170.48.145 (talk • contribs) 20:57, February 14, 2007 (UTC)

That's fine, as long as you can cite historical inaccuracies with reliable sources so it can be verified by other editors. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 01:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Deleted the phrase "Aristodemus/Dilios" replacing it with just Dilios because without explanation it only disimproves readability and creates ambiguity. If a historical inaccuracies section is added then it might be worth explaining the different names. Good writing style avoids slashes, the shorthand should be replaced with the full word "or" (similar to how numbers should be written as words for best readability). -- Horkana 14:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reshuffled intro?

I'm starting to think it would make more sense to switch the second and third paragraphs, so that it's not talking about the double-page spreads before it explains that the graphic novel was initially published as a comic book series. However, I'm not sure about rearranging the other information in those paras... opinions? --Mrph 20:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, WP:LEAD states that the lead paragraphs should be a concise overview of the rest of the article. So you can start new sections (which will then be listed in the table of contents). I'd suggest going in chronological order -- the origin of the idea adaptation, the publishing information, then the film and video game adaptations. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 20:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • True. I think WP:CMC/X is the preferred layout, so the body of the article should probably head in that direction. As for the intro, perhaps some of that information should then shift into other sections... but are there other things that should be added to the intro, that have a better claim to be part of that overview? --Mrph 20:47, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, overview just means that it covers the content of the article briefly. It's basically a summary of the rest of it. If you're planning to expand the article, I suggest that you take all the information from the lead paragraphs, put them in sections, and worry about writing lead paragraphs at the end of the expansion. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 20:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandals revisited...

I've just requested semi-protection, as this is getting a bit tiresome. --Mrph 17:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Not going to happen right now, it seems - not quite enough vandalism to justify it. Hopefully it'll calm down anyway --Mrph 21:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Victor Davis Hanson has interesting information in '300' Fact or Fiction?

[edit] Requested move

Propose that this article be moved back to 300 (comics) per the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (comics), to fall in line with all the others in suit with the guideline. Anyone have strong feelings and reasons against this move? MURGH disc. 17:21, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Moveback to proper space completed by swift admin action.MURGH disc. 14:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References to 300 in other Miller works

Theres a reference that is missing, in the 7th Sin city book during the drug trip section the main character sees a spartan with a gun. I believe it is king Leonidas, he has the same cut in his helmet. I think that should be added in the Reference section. But I will not perform the edit. 5150 01:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Queen Gorgo

Why not mention in this page that there is no Queen Gorgo in the senate in the comic although it appears in the movie? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.88.124 (talk) 12:03, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:300 comic.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)