Talk:.38 Special

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[edit] Dispute

" Few, if any, police departments in the U.S. still use .38 Special as a standard duty weapon" ...........Disputed.......... Almost all forces in the US still have .38 as an authorised duty cartridge and Michigan State Police, as well as some others still use .38 as a standard and issued platform. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/lema974b.pdf

The document you cite clearly shows that it's a minority of forces which authorise the use of .38 Special, not "almost all". Riddley 13:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, prop. change wording to; "Only a minority of US police depts. issue or authorise.

[edit] Image placement

Maybe if we moved the 2nd image way up high in the article, like after the 1st history paragraph, it wouldn't look so funny. I played with it a few places myself and couldn't find anything I really liked. Arthurrh 18:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image

Can't there be an image of the gun itself, instead of the ammo? Eye.earth (talk) 21:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

.38 Special is a cartridge, not a gun.--LWF (talk) 21:15, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cartridge History and Date of Advent

Most reloading handbooks and references such as the cited Cartridges of the World date the 38 special to 1902. The cartridge was actually introduced in 1899 with the first model Military and Police Revolver. I have added a picture of one of these revolvers and the letter from Roy Jinks confirming the history of the 38 special round and the date of shipment in 1900. Please look at the letter before deleting this edit.--Mcumpston (talk) 04:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cartridge Effectiveness and/or Lack Thereof

Elmer Keith was an early critic of the effectiveness of the standard load. In his Sixguns Book, he said that the 38 Special" had cost many good men their lives." (sic) He developed higher pressure loads using his SWC with and without hollow point that he developed betwen 1928 and 31 deeming these loads effective. There has been much subsequent literature in the same vein but Keith seems to be the prime mover in this and his book would make a good reference in the places needing citation about inadequate power. I do not know how to add to the Ref list but this would be a good inclusion:

Keith, Elmer Sixguns by Keith New York,Bonanza Books 1955 and 1961

There have also been references to the Strausberg Goat material and studies by more recent stopping power researchers but these have become so controversial that using them as sources is guaranteed to start a fight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcumpston (talk • contribs) 13:14, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

Article reassessed and graded as start class. Referencingand appropriate inline citation guidelines not met. --dashiellx (talk) 16:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)