Talk:29 October 2005 Delhi bombings

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[edit] Two wheeler?

Two things that could use some clarification:

  • What the heck is a "two-wheeler"? Is it the same as a bicycle? A motorcycle? Something else?
  • A boming in "New Delhi" marked on a map of "Old Delhi"? At first I thought this was a mistake. Is it "a map of the Old City section of New Delhi" or something like that?

--Brian Z 19:24, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey Brian, sorry for the confusion.

  • "two-wheeler" is a quite popular generic categorical term used in India for any motorized vehicle with two wheels. Motorcycles, scooters, mopeds etc come under this category
  • When I mean Old Delhi map it was very old (from 1960's). So it doesnot accurately represent the present rapidly expanding city). I think I will clear that up

--Vyzasatya 19:45, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

TelPhone code for Delhi is 011 and not 022 --pradeepsomani

[edit] Contact?

Should we have the section Contact with the phone no.s? I understand that the information needs to be provided, but isn't wikinews a much more relevant area for this? I hope this is by a temporary way of arrangement and that it will be removed after a week or so. --Gurubrahma 05:55, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Delhi / Delhi

The blasts occured in the city of Delhi, not New Delhi. The two are separate census cities. User:Nichalp/sg 07:23, 30 October 2005 (UTC)


Cleo_ I love the way the layout of the article. This is my first time reading current events on Wikipedia. I will be back. THANKS

[edit] Photos of Event

can any one contribute photographs --pradeepsomani

I could if I wasn't too scared to go out.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 08:31, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Irony of Fate?

Is it "irony of fate" that on the same day, in two separate places far away from each other, people were killed. In the railway accident in Andhra Pradesh, the toll is already 100 and counting; it is expected to reach about 300. The accident was caused when a railway bride was washed away, supposedly because of "flash floods" even as a train was operating over it.

The irony is that nature or human incompetence has taken a greater toll than that inflicted by terrorists!

[edit] Train Derails: 102 Killed

(Asian Age, Bombay, Oct. 30, 2005. Page 1.)

Passengers and policemen stand on the torn carriage of the Secundeabad-bound Delta Fast Passenger train that derailed and toppled into a rivulet at 4.30 a.m. on Saturday (night) in Andhra Pradesh's Nalgonda district. At least 102 people were killed when the train, which could not brake in time before a washed -away bridge, toppled into the flood waters of the rivulet at Valugodu, about 80 k.m. from Hyderabad.

Andhra Pradesh Home Minister K. Jana Reddy who said 20 to 30 bodies had been washed away, added: "Just 20 minutes before the mishap, the Narsapur Express passed through the same track, which shows that flash floods were the cause of the mishap."

According to the Times of India, the Gollapalli Cheruvu, an irrigation tank, had been overwhelmed by excessive rains, resulting in a flash flood washing away a bridge between Ramanapet and Valigonda stations; the train is identified as the Delta Fast Passenger operating between Repalle and Secunderabad. Seven coaches fell into the river, about 200 are suspected killed, and some bodies were found upto 2 k.m. downstream.

WikiSceptic 15:34, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Use of date specific language

I was wondering if use of date specific terms is appropriate in a encyclopedic article such as this? For example "today he said" and so on. It makes sense in real time context as of now, but this article is not supposed to be used in real time and these sentences would not make sense when read later.

[edit] Diwali

There's been a minor squabble on this article over, of all things, who supposedly celebrates Diwali. Seems like some people take exception to the notion that some Sikhs celebrate the festival, which is celebrated as Bandi-Chhorh Divas in Sikhism. Perhaps it's the fact that the Sikhs tend to call the festival by a different name and link it to different stories that leads to the claim that they did not celebrate Diwali? — Rickyrab | Talk 20:29, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Since the foundation of Sikhism, Sikhs have been hyper-sensitive towards the continued claims made by high-ranking Hindu leaders that Sikhism is merely an in-house sect of Hinduism. Sikhs believe themselves an independent religion. Anything that suggests that Sikhs are Hindus is a red rag to them. At one time, after the annexation of the Sikh Empire by England and before the rise of Sikh reform movements, Sikhism suffered from very low morale and many Sikhs defected to Hinduism. In speaking of Sikhs it is better to defer to their own definitions of their rites and practices than to blindly club them with Hindus. Jains, by comparision, by and large do not have objections to being so clubbed.

See also these pages: Mann opposes RSS chief's bid to redefine minorities & Hindu Fundamentalist group urges Christians and Muslims to "return to being Hindu".

WikiSceptic 02:18, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Item number 1) I'm not a Hindu or a Sikh (or a Jain, for that matter). I did accept Diwali greetings and gave them in return, because I appreciate others' holidays myself. 2) I don't consider Sikhs to be Hindus. I've never heard of claims that Sikhs were "Hindus" until you brought the issue up. 3) It is a fact that Diwali (under whatever name, with whatever customs, with whatever origins) happens to be celebrated by Hindus and some non-Hindus - and Sikhs happen to be among the non-Hindus. 4) As for my own religion, well, Sukkot and Simchat Torah have already come and gone, and Hanukkah and Thanksgiving has yet to arise. (Like Diwali, the American Thanksgiving is a festival observed by folks of multiple religions. It allegedly dates back to a Native American named Squanto and a bunch of Protestant Pilgrims from England, who threw together a feast. Abraham Lincoln made it a national holiday in the 1860s, and Americans of whatever faith join in to feast in thanks for the good things in their lives.) — Rickyrab | Talk 11:36, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Use of Scooters in Terrorism

What does the scooter used in the Delhi attack look like? See these pictures:

It will be noticed that there is a storage space in the front. A second storage space is under the seat, which hinges up, and is close to the fuel tank.

The article needs to mention the fact that the Bombay Serial Terrorist attacks (staged by smuggler Dawood Ibrahim Khaskar in retaliation for the Jan 1993 anti-Muslim pogroms in Bombay) also involved bombs placed in scooters. As a matter of fact, one or more of these had failed to explode and had been defused.

WikiSceptic 02:18, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sarojini Nagar blasts

Ther isn't any info on how the Sarojini Nagar blasts took place. All I know is that the bomb was place near a gas cylinder in this crowded marketplace. ANy more info?--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 08:52, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I have added some info regarding Sarojini Nagar blast now--Vyzasatya 23:55, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I've added some extra info about the Govindpuri bomb, and created an article about the Mahaz.

G-d bless you all during this time, and may He let you have a safe and peaceful Diwali. shalom aleichem

XYaAsehShalomX 15:51, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lashkar-e-Taiba

Lashkar-e-Taiba stated today that they were not involved in the attacks in any way. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051101/ap_on_re_as/india_bombing;_ylt=AmPZKTlPYVIXV4l6MSlGcwsBxg8F;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA-- Lashkar has always claimed responsibility for all of their attacks. Also, since when is this Inquilab group been linked to Pakistan (as stated in the article). The group phoned the police claiming the attack, the police themselves said they have very little information on the group, suspected it to be allied with Lashkar, but have never said it was backed by Pakistan. I think we should stick to facts in this article, and not start speculating. Fkh82 20:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Given the global outrage against this terrorist act, and that Muslims too have been victims and are furious, it is understandable why the terrorists are running scared and have become painfully shy of claiming credit for this jihad operation. Yeah, it was not perpetrated by jihadists but by the Bajrang Dal on orders of George Bush and the running dogs of Zionist imperialism! ;-0)

But I am truly surprised that the "Kavkaz Center for the Promotion of Terrorism" has not been transported into raptures: http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2005/10/29/4181.shtml

Dare I suggest that they are slipping or becoming infected by the disease of humanity? Osama bin Laden, may his putrid heart rot in eternity, will surely be displeased! WikiSceptic 09:25, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Muslims, Islamic Fascists..

Muslims, the Islamic Fascists, will not stop until they have achieved religious and political domination of all nations.

The Pakistan-based terrorist group, the Islamic Inquilab Mahaz that claimed the responsibilty for the blasts were most likely religiously motivated, resenting that "infidel Hindus" are allowed to live and wish to either convert or kill all non-Muslims, like many Muslims.

If (or rather, when) Al Queda seizes control of the puppet Pakistan government for real there will most likely be a nuclear strike using Pakistan's plentiful stock.

Muslims, the Islamic Fascists, will not stop until they have achieved religious and political domination of all nations.

And like the appeasers of Hitler in the reign of the Nazis, we will just stand by whilst they kill and murder all innocent people that refuse to bow to their Cult of Mohammed. --209.97.196.196 19:20, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Dear Sir, — Your comments must always be inserted chronologically, with latest being last. Yes, I agree that Islam is a form of fascism, and I reject the pretension that Islam in itself has nothing to do with terrorism, given that Islam, or more properly Mohammedanism is the only religion that was spread exclusively by war and terrorism, at the specific command of its founder. The closest that comes to it is the wars of the Incas who imposed their Sun Cult upon the peoples they conquered.
However, I do not believe that any Pakistan government would, of itself and without a threat of obliteration, resort to the use of nuclear weapons. That is because, under the principle of Dar ul Harb, they see Hindu India as a land to be conquered, and rendering it uninhabitale for humans for thousands of years by radioactivity will foil that end. WikiSceptic 10:15, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

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