Talk:24 (TV series)/Archive5

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Contents 1 DOD vs. CIA 2 Jack Bauer 3 Season 5 on DVD 4 Philip Bauer's death 5 24 Day 0 6 Revised Article 7 Criticism 8 Ethel? 9 List_of_24_episodes 10 Episode notability 11 episode review for season one articles 12 There should be a special wikipedia flag for misuse of words like "ironically" 13 The Silent Count 14 Next year's season will be "green" 15 Character infoboxes 16 Parody 17 Season 7 Re-vamp 18 Real time 19 Affiliations 20 24 Template 21 Larry Moss 22 since tony's alive, this article shouldn't say he was killed in season 5 23 Please advertise spoilers!!! 24 sutherland a guest star? 25 24 filming in DC 26 Recent Vandalism

[edit] DOD vs. CIA

The article lists CTU as being part of the Department of Defense. The 24 book series clearly states that the unit is part of the CIA, and would be the only canonical link offered thus far. Nostalgicmonkey 08:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Bauer

I feel that this article needs some serious tending to asap. As you can see it doesn't actually discuss the individual seasons in the slightest. I'm not sure if that is what is meant by 'this article does not conform with writing about trivia' but I feel it is being ignored as people believe that saying there is a problem is just as good as fixing it and, as it's central to the 24 universe, it needs to be put on the radar again. Algebra man 10:01, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Season 5 on DVD

Are you sure that the fifth season was released on DVD end 2006 ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_%28TV_series%29#DVD_releases

[edit] Philip Bauer's death

This is beginning to irritate me and I want to see what others think. I know that there is speculation about whether or not he died. However the same is true of Tony's death and we label him as deceased so I feel we should do the same for Philip and not put him as "unknown" or "assumed deceased" or "possibly escaped" as the first two are vague and the last is speculative. Algebra man 14:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

True - unless you actually see their heads cut off, or at least see them in a casket, you never know on tv. Look at Lost. I'd agree with this change. Tvoz |talk 14:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 24 Day 0

On cturookie.com there is a webisoide launched that showcases what happened before Day 1. Is anyone planning on making a article for it?

List_of_Other_Media_for_24_(TV_series)#Online_media. there. ThuranX 00:57, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I made an article here Day Zero (24) --Ncusa367 23:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Revised Article

24 is a television show documentary on the almighty Fox network that features 24 nonstop hours of true American hero Jack Bauer torturing terrorists (Jack Bauer is in fact a real person, despite him looking strinkingly similar to the actor Kiefer Sutherland, which is due to the fact that Bauer had so much greatness that all of his lesser qualities didn't fit and therefore had to be put in a second body). 24 won "Best Drama" at the 2006 Emmys because it kicks too much ass. It is second only to The Colbert Report as the most Real American show on television.

[edit] Criticism

The show's fifth season featured the President of the United States performing terrorist acts, which is impossible because a President never has and never will perform terrorist acts of any kind. Ever. The last episode of the fifth season also features hero Jack Bauer getting his ass kicked by a bunch of Chinese guys. Jack Bauer getting beat up by Chinese? Pfft... that's not very realistic. The fact that he wasn't sleeping, eating or pissing/shitting during the show brought up controversy because it was "unrealistic". People, we're talking about Jack Bauer, he's an American Hero, it IS REALISTIC...GET WITH THE PROGRAM! Londo06 21:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ethel?

Who is this Ethel person? It seems as if she is meant to be Teri Bauer's sister and she appears on the Jack Bauer and the Kim Bauer page? Is it vandalism? Algebra man 14:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

According to the 24 wiki (http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Ethel), she is briefly mentioned in the first series as an Aunt which Kim tries to contact when she cannot get in touch with either her Mum or Dad. Though I don't think it ever mentions in the show if she is Jack's or Teri's relative, so it looks like someones taken an education guess and decided she was Teri's sister. Hope this helps. --Hardy24 15:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List_of_24_episodes

Why does http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_24_episodes redirect to the main article, is this an oversight or was there a reason behind it? --Hardy24 15:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Episode notability

Many or all of the existing individual episode pages for this series appear to fail the notability guidelines for television episodes, and have been tagged accordingly. These articles can be improved through the inclusion of real-world information from reliable sources to assert notability. Overly long plot summaries should be edited, to a maximum length of approximately ten words per minute of screen time. Trivia should be integrated into the body of the article, or removed if it is not directly relevant. Quotes and images should only be used as part of a critical analysis of the episode. You might also consider merging any notable information onto the show's "List of episodes" or season pages. Otherwise, when these pages come up for review in fourteen days, they may be redirected, merged or deleted. If you want any help or further information, then come to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Episode coverage. Thanks. TTN 17:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

These will be redirected fairly soon. The season articles are already up, so there should be little disagreement. TTN 19:19, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Shear profile of 24 and number of magazines focusing on TV shows means per epersode articles will be posible in the case of 24.Geni 21:30, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] episode review for season one articles

The individual episode articles for this series are now being reviewed according to episode notability guidelines. Please contribute to the discussion on Talk:24 (season 1)#24 episode review (season 1). Thanks. -- Ned Scott 07:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] There should be a special wikipedia flag for misuse of words like "ironically"

What is the meaning of the word "ironically" in this context? Ironically, Mike Novick was involved with [the 25th Amendment] being invoked in both the 2nd and 4th seasons.

It doesn't add anything to the sentence, it's just someones writing style I guess. Removing the "ironically" if you feel the need. --Hardy24 21:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

It's like rain on your wedding day. 209.180.36.94 21:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Silent Count

Ive heard that anytime a person dies on 24 the clock ticks but is silent. On the last episode of last season Jack Baur stands on the cliff looking out and the show ends with a silent clock. Also rumor has it that Tony will be returning because when he died the clock made sound. After all of this people believe that Jack will die and Tony will replace him. But how can this be with a 24 movie coming out that Kiefer Sutherland has already signed for. How wierd would that be if he was in the movie but dead on the show. Please help with this dilema. Hammerkid14 13:29, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

This is really the place for this, but i'll help you out anyway. The silent clock is not really as black and white as, "if someones dies the clock is silent", in most cases when there is a notable death the clock ticks and there is silence on the sound track. But in other cases it has been known for the ticking clock noise to be silent but for some else to replace it. So at the end of series two when an attempt was made on David Palmer's life, the clock noise was replaced by that of a heartbeat and heavy breathing. In Series 3 when Jack killed Ryan Chappelle, it was replaced by a ambient background noise from the trainyard where the last scene took place. At the end of Series 6 the noise of waves crashing against the rocks below Jack can be heard instead of the clock noise. It's not at all clear what the producers meant by this. In all likelihood it's simply meant to draw a line under the previous 6 years so that they would be seen as one whole, and that season 7 was a fresh start.--Hardy24 15:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Next year's season will be "green"

See [1]. Should this be mentioned in the article? JoshuaZ 03:22, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Character infoboxes

The information in the infoboxes is getting out of hand; character affiliations are cluttering up the infobox -Nina Myers has seven, just as an example- characters such as Tony Almeida and Charles Logan are constantly having their status' changed - not unfairly in my mind - and other characters have a ridiculous amount of jobs named - Erin Driscoll seven. Infoboxes are meant to be succinct and convey the most important information concisely; at the moment many of them are a true mess. I suggest slimming them down via removing the messy sections - e.g. affiliations -, the unnecessary sections - jobs held - and anything else that would help the problem. asyndeton 16:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Affiliations, the way I see it, should be kept strictly to organizations. As Asyndeton has mentioned with Nina Myers, things like "Unknown Enemy Season 3" and "Max (unofficial)" are somewhat unnecessary and messy. It might be easier to just say she is affiliated with terrorist organizations that we know the names of, and then simply label the rest as something like: "Various terrorist groups/organizations." -WarthogDemon 20:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The information is too detailed for an infobox and clutters it up. Information like 'jobs held' can be described in the articles. -Bardiak 23:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be best to limit the affiliations to organizations, not individuals. mirageinred 00:24, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

OK it seems that we are in agreement about jobs held, being removed, which I will see to. Affiliations is still a problem, one I also suggest removing, but that will take more debate. I didn't make my case for removing current status clear; we have some characters listed as 'ailve' and others as 'civilian'. The two do not describe similar situations; the first describes a person's health, the second a person's employment with relation to the state. If we do keep it, I suggest imposing some boundaries on what 'status' can refer to. asyndeton 22:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Parody

"Nonetheless, 24 has become part of American popular culture and has been the subject of numerous parodies. It also got a parody on the anime Lucky Star."

Is this noteworthy enough to be included? 24 is a popular show that has been parodied in media all over the world. Why single out one obscure anime?--Citizen Sykes 18:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Season 7 Re-vamp

There are plenty of sources now that Season 7 will feature a revamp of the shows format, with the main location not neccesarily being L.A., and or things we've come to expect as certainities not being so any more. Should the opening remarks contain mention of this?, even if it was it general terms. Opinions? --Hardy24 16:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Given that so far it's hearsay, and the fact that we don't know the extent of the revamps, I think we should wait until the new season starts. -Bardiak 23:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Real time

An addition by me about the commercial breaks was removed without any comment, so I put it back. Maybe this requires some clarification. In western Europe (can't speak for other parts of the world) public stations don't have commercial breaks during shows (and the BBC doesn't have any at all). So the real time effect doesn't work. And commercial stations all have their own schemes of where to insert commercial breaks and how long they are, so the effect may not work there either, unless they adapt their scheme. Which they often don't do in the Netherlands. I thought I wrote that clearly enough. Or was it in some way not intelligible? Surely, it's relevant, because it is about an important aspect of how the show works. I can easily understand any confusion because I was also for a long time confused by those 'blackouts' during US shows on Dutch tv. The BBC often makes nice transitions, but the simpler solution is to let the screen go black for a second and then restart. Because this often happens during a 'cliff hanger', I thought that maybe it was meant to 'break the tension' or something. :) Only when we got commercial tv in the Netherlands in the nineties did I finally understand the real reason. DirkvdM 10:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I do not think it is particularly relevant, the "real time" aspect of the show is more about the events we see on screen happening in real time, not in the amount of time between acts of the show. As the viewer doesn't really have any sense of what time passes between acts (surely nobody sits there and works it out?) then the phrase real time is more relevant to the show action, not to the lulls (commercial breaks) in between. I am also not sure if your addition is written particularly well, it is a little clumsy.Mmm commentaries 23:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Agree with Mmm commentaries. I gave up on trying to follow the series with annoying advertising breaks, bought all seasons on DVD and happily watch with no adverts and no breaks. The real-time aspect relates to the story, not the precise elapsed time of the episode. Also, anyone watching any episode is unlikely to be watching at the exact fictional time anyway. You do not have to watch 13:00-14:00 at that time of day for the episode to work or be effective. Like all drama the viewer knows it is fiction and suspends disbelief. Asa01 20:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd think to make a point like that clear you really would have to go into a lot of detail, and since this article is full to bursting I don't think it would be an efficient use of space. I think a quick note (one sentence) that "events occur in real time" only when adverts are taken into account would be sufficient. --Hardy24 15:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

No, no, no. Events of the show do occur in real time, irregardless of commercial breaks, pauses for trips to the lavatory, and the week long pauses between the hours. The real time aspect has always been about the on screen action, not the commercial breaks. Mmm commentaries 00:05, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Affiliations

Character affiliations are getting out of hand - Nina Myers being just one example - and I would like to remove them on the basis that they are subjective and do not belong in the infobox, which is meant to be succinct and for 'at a glance' information'. Unless I meet with opposition by 21:00 (UTC) today, I shall purge them all. asyndeton 09:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 24 Template

The template at the bottom of the page is outright terrible and needs to be changed or removed. It makes Jack sound like a secondary character at best and puts him on an equal footing with Bill, whose impact on the show has been much less. It suggests that nobodies like Ethan Kanin, who may as well not exist, and people who haven't even appeared in the show yet are more important and it gives the impression that characters such as David Palmer, Nina Myers and Michelle Dessler are minor characters, inferior to the likes of Kanin. If something doesn't happen soon, I'm removing it. asyndeton 18:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Larry Moss

Ok, Why does Larry Moss redirect here (to 24)? Thought he was a voice actor.Mace Windu 00:00, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] since tony's alive, this article shouldn't say he was killed in season 5

It says something to the effect of "season 5 had the highest body count, including tony, but oh yeah hes actually alive now" What it should say is "season 5 by far had the highest body count with X deaths (tony almeda actually did not die)" if we still believe this to be true, or "season 5 had X deaths (tony almeda actually did not die)" if we think one less death lessens the extent of season 5's body count. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.121.158 (talk) 02:24, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please advertise spoilers!!!

I thought this was common knowledge, but I will ask this nicely in case it is not. PLEASE advertise spoilers for the upcoming seasons. Some of us may want to see sneak previews of the next season's cast and plot, but I know that I am one of the many who would like to go in fresh without any knowledge. I mean, I don't even watch the "next week on 24" commercials during the week. Thank you.

-- J.K. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.170.158.46 (talk) 00:10, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Then it is quite foolish to come to this page. asyndeton 22:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] sutherland a guest star?

yeah. have a look at the article and someone who knows more about the show please edit the guest star section. Thanks Philbuck222 11:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 24 filming in DC

Cast and crew of 24 were in Washington, D.C. this weekend, filming in Georgetown. I asked them if I could get photos for Wikipedia, and they said no. :( Though, I was able to observe (from the nearest street corner) and get some photos, including of Kiefer Sutherland. These are posted on Flickr, and would be happy to upload any of these here, if they would be of use. Just let me know which ones. --Aude (talk) 21:38, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Vandalism

Recent vandalism now requires that you have a registered Wikipedia account to edit the page, effective until December 6th, 2007 (UTC).

If there are any repeat offenses from unregistered users after the lock is lifted, I will be forced to put a on a longer lock, or if necessary, a permanent lock (will last 1 year or longer) from unregistered users.

Thank you.

Mr Congeniality (talk) 04:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Um...just putting the tag in does NOT lock the article, as an unregistered user was able to edit the page after you put on the tag. Only admins can lock articles. If you want, you can request the page be protected. Anakinjmt 14:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)