Talk:24 (TV series)/Archive3

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Concerning the "24" Film

From the "24: The Movie" section:

"It should be noted that the film would be a two-hour representation of a 24-hour day, not an actual 24-hour-long film as this would be financially straining on production and impossible to show in theaters."

Is it really necessary to state precisely why the 24 film will not be twenty-four hours long? Even though this is an encyclopedia, a statement like this borders on redundancy. I propose that this sentence be removed in order to streamline the wording and flow of the section. ccromwell 20:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Who is this?

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6409/whoisthisok5.jpg Does anyone know who this is? He's in the second episode of season 6.

edit: nevermind. found him

72.83.127.21 03:42, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Future Seasons

Does anyone know how many seasons they are making (or atleast contracted to make?). Would be useful information if someone who knows can put it up.00:20, 20 August 2006 (UTC)~

Suspense; non-stop action

While there is a lot of emphasis in the article on the real-time nature of the show, there is little said about the almost constant suspense and non-stop action. To me, it's not the "real-time" nature that makes it so different, it's the non-stop suspense and action. Within minutes in the first episode of the first season, the viewer is introduce to several suspenseful issues. And it remains so throughout. It's relentless. As soon as one issue is resolved, another is created. It seems like this should be pointed out in the article; not sure where. --Serge 04:32, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I copyedited the section to remove POV statements and original research. Jtrost (T | C | #) 14:07, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Infobox image

Image:24tv.jpg

I added this image to the infobox, it's the title card for 24. It was removed by Jtrost, so I'm posting it here for discussion and group consensus.

Here's the page before it was reverted by Jtrost: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=24_%28TV_series%29&oldid=42699437

24 has been on for five seasons now and like most shows the title card is the only constant in the series, that's why I think it's more appropriate then an image of Jack Bauer from season 5 chosen to represent an entire series with a large ensemble cast that has been on the air for five years. Most shows use a title card: ER, CSI: Miami, Law and Order, it adds semblance to Wikipedia. The picture of Jack Bauer could be added to the article where it makes more sense. HeyNow10029 04:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I like the 24 logo much better than the snapshot of Jack Bauer. - Bevo 17:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I'd go with the logo. I think we can do better than this shot though. The Fox logo is unnecessary. Maybe later I'll pop in a DVD and take a shot of it. K1Bond007 18:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree on the 24 logo and not the Kiefer picture. Jack Bauer already has his own page. This page is for the whole show and it should be the black and yellow 24 logo. tv316 18:36, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Seems like a consensus to me. HeyNow10029 05:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

The logo is better. Luke 18:59, 15 March 2006 (UTC)--Luke

Thank you for discussing this on the talk page. It would be a good idea to do this with every infobox image you intend to change. Jtrost (T | C | #) 22:35, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Character's ages

Can someone please give a source for all of the character's ages in the infobox? I used the House Special Subcommittee Findings at CTU book for a source for one character, Kim Bauer, and Jtrost has continued to revert my changes. There is no information in the official 24 web site, nor in any official 24 canon books I have read about specific character's ages in the fifth season. (Nor are character's ages mentioned in the show's dialogue except perhaps if they are planning for a birthday.) If this is the case then we need to delete the age line in the infobox as it is unsourced and thus irrelevant. Calwatch 03:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

She's definitely (currently) in her 20s. I'd say 23 or 24. She was Sophmore in H.S. in Season 1. Add 18 months (s2), 36 months (s3), 18 months (s4), and 18 months (s5), and you'd come up with approximately 7.5 years. I turned 16 when I was a Soph so. A specific age would be speculation, but to say she's in her "20s", I don't think so. That works for me. K1Bond007 06:59, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
But what about the others? WHy is Sherry Palmer younger than David Palmer, if they were high school sweethearts? This is just speculation on all levels. Calwatch 07:29, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Then remove it. The age field is more so for movies and books (non-recurring), not really TV shows (which will obviously change - practically 8 years thus far for 24). K1Bond007 08:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
I will repeat what I said on Talk:Kim Bauer. This is all speculation and original research, which is forbidden by Wikipedia policy. If all the character's ages came from this source that was dated around season 1, then all character ages should be removed. Anyway, would you consider a character's age encyclopedic? I think it falls under fancruft. Jtrost (T | C | #) 13:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
To conclude a specific age would be speculation and original research. To conclude shes in her 20s is not. It's an easily obtained range and I could do it not just by reading the season 1 bio. I could also get it from reading her season 3 bio and because I've seen all 5 seasons, I could conclude she's in her 20s without a doubt in my mind without even reading any of these bios. Any one of us should be able to. Shes an easy one to figure out though. If you read an earlier reply of mine, the one you replied to, I said the age should be removed. My first reply was merely a response to the argument of Kim's age. K1Bond007 17:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm just going to comment out the infobox with the "age" listing. Leaving a blank line serves no purpose at this point. Calwatch 21:13, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

In Season One, Kim is going to get a drivers licence. So she either almost 16 or 17, depending on CA's age requirement in 2000.

Additional 'all series' characters

To quote... "Jack Bauer, David Palmer, Tony Almeida, and Secret Service Agent Aaron Pierce are the only characters to appear in all five seasons of the series." What about Mike Novick? Does he not appear in all 5 seasons? 80.176.191.231 12:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)Notauser

No. He wasn't in season 3. He was replaced by Palmer's brother as chief of staff. K1Bond007 22:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Max deserves a character page

Considering the additional information we have on him from the game and the significance of his role I think he deserves his own page and a place in the "Others" category in the infobox. After all, we have more information on him than James Nathanson and he has a page.

"Current Status"

I created the character infoboxes, modeling them after the James Bond character infoboxes. That is why dead villains are listed as Terminated instead of Deceased. In the military, when enemy personnel are killed, they are terminated. So people need to stop changing it, it only makes them look like an ass that changes things for the sake of changing. Simon Beavis

So people need to stop changing it, it only makes them look like an ass that changes things for the sake of changing.
I humbly suggest that this is not sufficient rationale not to make an edit to an article, for, among other reasons, that this is an implicit complaint about other editors.
The counter-argument for making a character's status 'deceased' is that it is used in the case of all other character articles, such as Edgar Stiles, for consistency's sake. A person's 'alignment', in that case, is irrelevant; whether they are 'Alive' or 'deceased' is the only guiding factor, and a considerably simpler standard. Insisting on using 'terminated' on certain characters necessitates a value judgement on any character, because a 'villian' is a question of perception.
I'm not going to revert changes you have made to character articles like Habib Marwan, but I do (personally) believe that 'Deceased' is the better and more neutral term. Skybunny 07:11, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
I guess in retrospect that last statement was a bit hyperactive. But your statement [This] necessitates a value judgement on any character, because a 'villian' is a question of perception is not entirely accurate, because 24 villains are as easily identifiable as Bond villains, hence the category on the character table. The alignment of characters such as James Nathanson, Sherry Palmer, and Christopher Henderson is left up to individual perception, so they are in different categories. Simon Beavis

These are poeple, not machines. Luke 18:57, 15 March 2006 (UTC)--Luke

Your response clearly indicates that you did not actually READ my rationale. So to post it again: created the character infoboxes, modeling them after the James Bond character infoboxes. That is why dead villains are listed as Terminated instead of Deceased. In the military, when enemy personnel are killed, they are terminated. It has NOTHING to do with that Schwarzenegger flick. Simon Beavis

Regardless of whether or not the military uses the term to describe enemy deaths, terminated is not the appropriate status for the infobox. The Counterterrorist Unit is NOT a branch of the United States military - it is a division of the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA and other government angencies use the term "deceased" in dealing with the deaths of all individuals, whether terrorists or agents. Anyone who has watched the show could have observed this.

Your rationale is pure stupidity. Consistency, as others have said, and accuracy are very important. Who cares if you created the infobox? You look like an ass for being so dogmatic about the "Terminated" status when it's PATENTLY OBVIOUS that deceased is the proper word. - 68.32.34.152 01:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Has anyone here actually read the Five pillars? Wikipedia is committed to something called the NEUTRAL POINT OF VIEW (pillar 2). In keeping with the NEUTRAL POINT OF VIEW, we should have standard, consistent terms - "Deceased." By classifying a villain as "Terminated," there is no longer neutrality as it is taking the point of view of the U.S. Armed Services. While 68.32.34.152 might have a point about the CIA's use of the term, taking the point of view of the CIA is also not neutral.

The best neutral, consistent term is DECEASED. Terminated is too biased and from a U.S. MILITARY (not neutral) point of view. - Paulus89 19:48, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I say if anything, go with what the creators of 24 have chosen, and they clearly display "DECEASED" on the profiles. It makes sense to me to go with what they say, even if this is such a miniscule aspect. However, the whole neutrality thing kind of pushed me into this. IMO, it's not about "adapting" to either the U.S. Military or the CIA, but to choose what the creators intended it to be. Jondy 02:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

"24: Conspiracy"

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the VCast-Only 24:Conspiracy put out by Fox, the 24 minute long spin off that takes place at D.C. CTU? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0449543/

Archive?

Would anyone object to me archiving sections on the talk page with no comments since 2005? Just to keep things nice and tidy. If there are no objects in a day or so, I'll go ahead and archive. It can always be reversed :D --lightdarkness (talk) 14:10, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I've archived all 2005 sections, should bring page size below 32 kilobytes. --lightdarkness (talk) 21:43, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

SenTox or SynTox?

Maybe they're saying SenTox on the show, but I'm sure that they're saying SynTox (as in Synthetic Toxin). It's a small problem, but I thought I should bring it up.

Syntox is the correct spelling. Luke 19:56, 19 March 2006 (UTC)--Luke

Although this article says SynTox, the 24 website hosted by FOX spells it as Sentox (http://www.fox.com/24/episodes/3pm.htm look under 3:20PM). Plus, Wikipedia character profiles that use the name of the nerve gas spell it as Sentox. I'm going to change it.

--Borisborf 01:08, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, yeah, the 24 website has it listed as Sentox, but it really doesn't sound like that on the show. Just leave it as Sentox, it seems to be official.

Other Media

The top of the article isn't the right place to link to the game, soundtrack, and mobile phone spinoff. There should be a section called "24 in other Media" that describes the game, soundtrack, mobile phone, books, graphic novels, and possible movie.

I decided to make the edits. It's still a bit ugly, but hopefully, someone could fix it. I also took the disambiguation from the top. I don't think it's warrented since it only connects to other 24-related articles which links could be found from within the article itself.

Too many images

This article has too many images. Having pictuers all the way down the side is cluttering, sloppy, and confusing. --Hetar 01:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The image of Jack driving doesn't add anything valuable. Also the second 24 logo is redundant. More could probably be removed, but those are the two that stuck out the most to me. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 02:13, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I don't think we need any for the season synopsis. (Just for starters). K1Bond007 03:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Lost reference?

>>Season 1 begins each episode with Kiefer Sutherland reciting this line, followed by, "on the day of the California Presidential Primary." The importance of this episode introduction can be understood below in season one's synopsis.

This is in the article and probably refers to the long intro 'This is the longest day of my life', and 'I don't know who to trust' lines in the intro that changed a few times in Season 1... but the line isn't there - so someone should probably amend that ^^ quote in the article.

Cleanup part 2

I am marking this article for cleanup (again). A couple months ago we had it in pretty good shape, however recently a lot of fancruft and other nonsense has been added. I've been doing some general cleanup, but my edits are quickly reverted. Here are things I think we should do to make this article looks better:

  1. Under the Stars in the infobox, have an anchored link to the main cast section. This is the way a number of other TV show articles do it, and how it is done on the Wikiproject page. This helps eliminate redundant information.
  2. Get rid of "recurring" under the main cast section. Identifying a character as recurring is a POV statement since there is no objective way to identify main characters from recurring characters.
  3. Get rid of the header links in "24 in other media". This causes the TOC to become very long, and each of those sections are too short to justify their own headers.
  4. Clean up the lead for the "Season synopses" section. A lot of it is fancruft. The entire lead can be shortened to a couple sentences.
  5. Delete the Broadcasters section. This is simply a long list that isn't very encyclopedic. Wikipedia is available in other languages, so let's leave it to other Wikipedia's to publish their own broadcast information.
  6. Let's start actually doing stuff on the to do list instead of adding things on there then letting them sit.

Remember, more is not better. Let's start deleting unnecessary information from this article and make it encyclopedic once again. Jtrost (T | C | #) 21:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Cubby mug

What are other people's opinions on the separate page for Cubby, Tony's mug - linked from this article in the General trivia section. I want to get some consensus before I protect the Cubby page as the re-direct to this page. -- Chuq 22:48, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Carlos Bernard in the cast

I`m not understanding why someone keep putting Carlos Bernard as a part of the ACTIVE main cast, since he is gone and isn`t a part of the cast anymore. This way we can put all past cast, since ACTIVE main cast appearently isn`t for just ACTIVE actors.--Rockdolly 10 April 2006 21:18

Seriously... sorry guys, Tony is dead and not coming back.... It's hard to accept, yes, but it's the truth and you should stop putting him back on the active cast list. RayaruB 01:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

The Game as Season 2.5

Should the game be listed in the seasons of 24 between seasons 2 and 3? While it didn't air, one could make the argument that it is a season of 24, what with it being a new story that takes place over 24 hours. I'm not going to change anything, or even start a vote, but I'm just wondering what other people think about this.Eric Sieck 02:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

It be too hard to do that, because we now have so many other "inbetweenwquels" in the 24-Universe. Currently, we have 4 books (1 on the way), 3 comics, 2 DVD prequels, 1 video game, and potentially 1-3 movies. To mark The Game as "2.5" would cause trouble organinzing all these other stories . . .

Who's calling the shots?

Does any 1 agree with me on the theory that a "Main Enemy" exists on the show? I think there is a secret society or something that calls all the shots but Super Jack Bauer just keeps foiling thier plans. Disagree with me?

o.k. then answer these ?'s for me.

1)who was the man on the boat in the end of season 2. 2)how did Henderson or whoever know that Jack was still alive.

Since the show will be on for at least another 3 seasons we will see won't we. I think we should start a theory page.

1) The man on the boat is named Max. See 24 (season 2) (especially the "Conspiracy Theories About Max" section) and 24: The Game for more on Max, his motivations, and his fate. 2) After stunning an reviving Jack, Henderson tells him, "I never believed you were dead." He was simply indicating that Jack was too good and too clever to allow himself to die the way it was believed he did. -- Plutor 19:02, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Actually, there is a short 10 minute prequel to season five where Jack meets up with Chloe and she says something about how someone had accessed files she had about Jack's faked death before she deleted them so that leads me to believe that someone Henderson or Logan knows had gotten this information. Jondy 02:41, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Good Article nomination has failed

The Good article nomination for 24 (TV series)/Archive3 has failed, for the following reason:

There is a random infobox right in the middle of the article, and more importantly, the bullet pointed list of 'trivia' is not good prose - it should first of all be prose, and second, if the 'trivia' is significant enough to be mentioned, it should not be isolated into a trivia section but included in the main text. Worldtraveller 20:38, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

24: The Movie

There's going to be a movie of 24. Shots take place in London. Someone, please, take some action and start editing lol! --nlitement [talk] 21:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Hold on a moment: If Shooting is supposed to start in "one year and one days time" then wouldn't the soonest for it to be released be between seasons 7 & 8 (if they happen) because one year from NOW, it will BE the Day 6-7 Hiatus, as the article right now claims it'll be released?

Major Timeline Goof

Apologies if this has been covered before, but Season 1 can't be in 2002 as there was no Presidential election in 2002. Presidential elections always occur on a leap year. 2002 was not a leap year, but 2000 and 2004 are. If we hold that "24" started post 9-11, then the first year possible would be 2004. If we remove that constraint, it seems as if 2000 would be a more likely starting year.

In the 24 universe, it has to be 2002, since 18 months later (in 2004), Aaron Pierce says he came into the secret service at the start of Regan's second term (1984), and Palmer says that it was nearly twenty years before. — Deckiller 18:52, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I think that's farily weak reasoning there - the simple fact that there was no Presidential election in 2002 should outweigh a "nearly 20 year" reference. I simply can't believe that the "24 Universe" would suddenly move Presidential elections to the off year elections. More likely explanation is that Aaron's comment was either 1) imprecise or 2) slipped through the edting process. Fingolfen 20:17, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, I've looked up several ongoing debates about the timeline which, in all honesty, should not even be a component in the Wikipedia article on 24, since this is a general interest encyclopedia. The most logical choice would be to remove it completely, for any claim would be pure speculation and POV anyway. — Deckiller 01:50, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

In the past seasons the creators have said that the Election years are a bit off, which is fine to accept, since this is the 24-Universe and not real life.

Do you have a source for that? I find it strange that the 24-Universe can have presidential primaries two years off but it's taken for granted that the term periods for Reagan and Milosevic are the same as in this universe. AEuSoes1 08:54, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Major issue

I don't think all these CTU agents merit their own articles, and I'm hesitant to return to my merge ways. I think we should use the power of the wikia to our advantage and usher people there. — Deckiller 18:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Good Article nomination has failed

The Good article nomination for 24 (TV series)/Archive3 has failed, for the following reason:

Come on... Next to no references? Tons of lists with little formatting and next to no info on the reality part of the show (production and such)? Failed. Staxringold 22:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Season 5 synopses

The season 5 synopses on the main page was great and now its long an not very good. The synopses is only supposed to talk about what the season is about, not to spoil the entire thing. I suggest that we bring back the old synopses


The previous synopsis had no actual content and held many bland statements (ie "Many sacrifices were made and people were killed). It was changed to a more lengthy one and has now been shortened. The new version holds more weight and actual content related to the story.

24: The Movie error.

At the top of the page it says the movie is planned for 2008. However the headline about the Movie says "between season 6 and 7". Between season 6 and 7 is the year 2007 not 2008. Needs to be fixed?

-SmartSped

I agree. It should probably say between seasons 7 & 8 (if they do Eight Days, I mean.)

Trivia Deleted?

One of the things I love about Wikipedia is how thorough the trivia sections can grow to be. For 24, I once made a trivia edit, citing this [1] as the MacGuffin in season 4. The problem is that it (and other trivia?) got wiped out, possibly when the seasons were given their own sections. This wouldn't be a problem if it was only moved from the main article to the season 4 page, but it wasn't. While I could take some time and dig through the history to find what I wrote and restore it under season 4 trivia (and may do just that), my concern is that it would only be deleted again. I didn't consider the entry inapropriate (certainly not compared to other trivia), I wasn't trying to plug MacWorld or Wiebetech, so why was this (and other?) info deleted?

24's initial intentions

shouldnt there be some mention that 24 was initially intended to be a docu-drama illustrating the need for a well organised counter terrorist force. This was said by Joel Surnow and Robert Ccochrane on a featurette on the season 2 dvd set, where it was also mentioned that 24 was initially meant to run only for one season howver due to high ratings internationally, particularly the uk, it was brought back for subsequent seasons.

Pat 08:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Real-time

I added a notice that the show's claim to portray events as occuring in real-time was abandoned after the second season. The show itself (editing and chronology) didn't change, only the claim was retracted. Any comments or corrections?

I would think ANYONE, even some guy of the street, to know that 24 is in real-time. This isn't a clear answer, though. User:Jasonflare
Agree with Jason. They removed that statement because it grew redundant. It still applies (although recent seasons tend to write to commercials, meaning that the long car drives are written so that they fall around the time of commercials to enhance the thrill). — Deckiller 04:38, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Honestly, I always had the problem with this "real time" thing. Reason is that every epsode is supposed to be 1 hour but it is in fact 45 minutes (the rest is space for advertisement). Might sound silly but it kind of breaks the entire "enchant" of 24 for me -- is like its main selling point is flawed. I only saw episodes of the first season though, so I don't know if something changed on this. --Pinnecco 21:54, 28 August 2006 (UTC) -- Ah, and this "flaw" was very obvious to me when I saw 24 on BBC which has no advertisement during their shows. --Pinnecco 21:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Characters do things during commercials, as well; that's when the "boring" stuff usually occurs (car rides, etc). — Deckiller 02:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Here at Spain the commercials are not so "regular" as it seems to be in the USA, so it's usual to see a whole episode without any commercial (so running for 40-45 minutes instead of 60), but on the second one --they tend to air two or three episodes on a row-- cut twice for a 15-minutes non-stop commercial run, making it last for quite more than an hour. This makes the "real-time" claim really comical. --83.45.210.145 18:09, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Unless one actually watches the show with a stop watch in hand and regularly monitoring the elapsed time since the show began, why should this matter? Asa01 22:55, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
A bit nitpicky, perhaps, but events don't even happen in real time. When watching the DVDs on my computer, which has a minute/second display, discrepancies become noticable. It's only 3-5 minutes per episode (for example, the clock saying 51:14, but only 7 minutes and 31 seconds of episode occuring before the clock ticks off the final seconds, showing that real time and 24's time do not align) Darquis 09:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Logan's reason for being involved with the terrorists

How Logan felt he was "doing the right thing" for the country was explained in one fast line that was hard to follow -- when I asked other 24 viewers to explain, they didn't quite get it either. I know it had something to do with oil and the treaty with the Russians -- but no one has been able to succinctly explain what this was all about. Seeing as how it was the major arc of the whole season, I find this a bit problematic. That said, the show was unbelievably exciting this year.

Agreed, exciting but not without flaws. See, I think Logan's problem started when Palmer came in. Palmer wasn't overambitiouus, Logan was.

Cast of Characters Suggestion List Change

Hey, do you guys want to change the cast list so it looks like this (just until winter):

--154.20.217.225 19:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the existing format is better. However, I think it would be good to include the number fo episodes each character has appeared in. I also think it would be good to add Kim Bauer to the current cast list in the article!! For some bizarre reason she isn't listed at all! -- Hux 17:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Has Glenn Morshower really been in only 29 episodes? 128.233.109.24 15:16, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah. --Demon Hog 21:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Preproduction source.

Someone needs to provide a source for saying that Preproduction has begun or that sentence will be removed. dposse 23:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Characters in Star Trek

As a 24 fan and a Star Trek fan, I feel it necessary to point out that they have shared quite a few actors. The actor who plays Aaron Pierce also plays a bridge officer on the enterprise in "Peak Performance" (TNG 2x24). Penny Johnson Jerald plays Kassidy Yates in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine as well as sherry palmer in 24. Gregory Itzin (Logan) has been quite prolific on Star Trek, playing 5 different roles on different series. Michelle Forbes played Ensign Ro Laren on Star Trek: The Next Generation as well as Lynn on 24. I'm sure there are more commonalities that I haven't spotted, but this is extremely interesting. Surely worth being added to the page...

Weapons and Gadgets in 24

any ideas?

Microtech Hallo III.- Knife

Actually it's a H.A.L.O (High Altitude Low Opening) II OTF (Out The Front) autoknife. sources: Official 24 site at Fox Network and Wiki 24

H.al.o 3. .source Jack Bauer in one of the epizodes :) 71.99.113.164

Also I've found that the russian sub (Natalia k524, Delta IV class), introduced in day 5, ep22 4am-5am, it's an american one: the USS Topeka (ssn-754) Los Angeles class. It's based on Pearl Harbor and was comissioned on 21/10/1989 Meanwhile, there is a "Delta IV class" (NATO code name). It's the 667BDRM Delta IV class, it carries 16 non-nuclear R-29RM MIRVed missiles, Henderson calls them "Scorpion land attack missile", and said they're non-nuclear, carry multiple warheads (MIRV), but he counts 12 instead of the standard 16 payload of a D-9RM launch system. However, is does exist a russian "Scorpion" (NATO code name; USA code name: SS-N-X 24) missile. It's a surface-surface sub-lauched, non-nuclear, cruise missile (no MIRV). The Topeka obviously couldn't carry russian weapon system, it has 12 Tomahawk cruise missiles; now, as Henderson stated.

sources: USS Topeka article at Wikipedia, fas.org, wonderland.org.nz (be gentle, it's my first edit :)

Propaganda ?

Some parts of this Tv series. Feels strongly as propaganda.

proof: sacrifising life of goverment agent for good and well being of american people.

proof2: shoot to kill. man escaping from karantene. when shooting it the leg would be enough to stop him from leaving.

proof 3 : http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/apr2005/2424-a05.shtml

Good practice is to cite such sources and describe it in a "reception and criticism" section, stating "24 has been described as a propoganda source by several columnists, including _____". Placing it in the lead like that violates several policies as I have previously mentioned. — Deckiller 06:02, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
: feel free to improve my edit. without reverting.


This tv series is in FACT (de facto) propaganda. there is no proof needed. it is clearly visible in any single episozode!

I have removed it yet again - propaganda is a POV word. Unless you are citing someone else as having said it, it doesn't belong. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 02:45, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Well our good friend Laura Ingraham calls the show a referendum. "The average american out there, loves the show 24, ok. They love Jack Bauer, they love 24. In my mind that's close to a national referendum that it's ok to use tough tactics against high level Al Qaeda operatives as we're going to get"

Sprotected?

Does this page really need to be protected because of a single editor? I was reporting him for 3RR, but it looks like he's already been banned by the time I was done - in edit summary of protection, you made it sound like he was using multiple IPs, but I couldn't find any others doing the same edit. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 04:16, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

There've been three so far: (cur) (last) 10:17, 28 July 2006 71.99.115.10 (Talk | block) (reverting war? it is propaganda, like it or not. proof in talk page.) (cur) (last) 00:02, 28 July 2006 71.99.111.52 (Talk | block) (proof in talk page. dont get me wrong, I do LOVE this tv series. but It is clear propaganda.)

— Deckiller 04:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I missed that cause of the similarity. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 05:00, 29 July 2006

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doesnt have to be protected. just add. sentence about source citing this tv series as propaganda. 71.99.90.143

We're out of time!!!

Does anyone else notice how often they use phrases like "You're out of time," "There's no time for that," "We're running out of time," etc. I understand the whole real-time aspect of the show and the fact that they always want to build suspense. But still, the number of times they say "We're out of time" is comical. This has to be a joke with the writers or something. Thoughts?

Yeah, I think it's one of those inside jokes, like "I have a bad feeling about this" for star wars. I think it adds a bit of comedy to the show to round it out :) Perhaps if we can cite some sources, we can discuss this in the article. — Deckiller 05:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

You could also add: "patch me/him/her through" "send it to my PDA" And finally, the "protocol" thing. I guess it goes for everything, and maybe there a dozen of them in every episode. It's like a running gag.

24 Merchandising: The DVD Board Game

Surprised no one has been talking about this. IMDB has a listing, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0784961/releaseinfo . Other sites have images of the game, http://www.dutchguard.com/24-dvd-board-game-p-tv.html. Release date varies depending on the site-- dutchguard.com appears to have the game in stock, while other places have either August or September for the release.

List of broadcasters taking over this article

The List of broadcasters keeps getting larger and larger... is it really necessary (and encyclopedic) to include this information? There are a lot of countries with television broadcasters, and the list will steadily get larger and larger until it takes over this article. I don't think it's necessary to list each and every single broadcaster for each and every country that carries this show. Just the original broadcaster (FOX) is necessary. I don't think it's necessary to say that Global carries it in Canada, or any other country's broadcaster (I single out Canada because I'm Canadian). What do you guys think? Should be remove this section? --Deathphoenix ʕ 13:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the broadcasters section was a particularly huge section of the article. Still, I've made some formatting changes (using columns and reducing text size) which may help. -- Chuq 03:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Reducing text size attempts to reduce the literal percentage of article space used. I don't think it fixes the problem I have with this information not being notable enough, and whether the information takes over the article (this is not simply a formula of percentage of article size by number of lines), though if you must include the information, I'd put it in a table instead, to prevent repition of "In x_country, it airs on y_broadcaster". --Deathphoenix ʕ 17:58, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

24 & September 11

I don't see it appearing in the trivia and maybe I dreamed it.

The serie premiere was originally supposed to air on 9/11/2001.

In addition, the slogan on the billboard was something like: "A day that you will never forget".

I remembered it because it was a REALLY spine-chilling coincidence. Can anyone confirm it though?

Supalognon 12:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

proper sources

are forums proper sources for wikipedia? dposse 23:17, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

this is about "GRAHAM"

his name is spelled "graem" (http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ask-Ausiello/), ausiello is never wrong and since he talks to the people who work on 24 for scoop i think the name should be changed

24-related forum

I created a television forum at [2]. 24 has its own section along with all other primetime television shows. Would it be appropriate to post a link in the External Links section to the 24 area of the forum, allowing fans to go discuss this show? Same goes for other shows.

Thanks, Mike Colucci, TV-Watercooler.com Tv-watercooler 02:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Cast List

I noticed on the cast lists that there is a regular cast list (which I think should just be called current cast), recurring roles, and special guest stars. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a former cast list as well, as well as edit the cast lists up now? For example, Kim Raver is under special guest stars, but she was a cast member for seasons 4 and 5. And, Jean Smart was a cast member for 5 and Gregory Itzin was a guest star for season 4 and a cast member for season 5, but both are listed as Special Guest Stars. Perhaps we could make changes to this to reflect all of their cast status over past seasons? And, hopefully that makes sense. If not, I can clarify if you want. Anakinjmt 00:05, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking the exact same thing. I'll add a former cast list. Also, I'm fixing the special guest stars list, as far as I know, neither Mandy nor James Heller have been confirmed to return. Tylerco113x 02:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

YouTube links

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed, feel free to ask me on my talk page and I'll review it personally. Thanks. ---J.S (t|c) 06:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Tony

which wang put in that Carlos Bernard would be returning as the ghost of Tony alemida. in fact i dont care who put it in just remove it

Ridiculously large Trivia section

Does this article really need 32 points of triva? I feel this is a little excessive. Is it not possible to substantially edit this list down to a more reasonable length? Say a dozen entries? Some points can be incorporated into the main body of the article (such as the point about the original intention of the show) while others surely can be dropped altogether. For example is it really necessary to have a trivia entry telling us that The West Wing once made a throw away reference to 24? Or that Denis Haysbert's character got a 21 gun salute which another of his characters once did? How encyclopaedic are these points?. --Stenun 09:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

There shouldn't be any trivia section at all if this article wants to make GA or FA. Some points can be integrated. "I think I'll need a hacksaw". — Deckiller 15:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Continuing beyond season 7

I found this http://www.forbes.com/digitalentertainment/2006/04/11/fox-24-kiefer-sutherland-cx_0411variety2.html on Forbes saying that production of 24 will continue until May 2009, but I'm unsure as to what I should put in as that is about all the information that is given.

Former Cast List Order

So, i think that the order should be how they were credited. For example, in the first season, Jack Bauer comes first, then Teri, then Nina, then Kim, then Palmer. So I think the order should be that, not when they departed from the show. Tylerco113x 21:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

"First Lady Martha Logan" v. Martha Logan

Jean Smart is credited as First Lady Martha Logan so I think we should keep it that way on the former cast list. Correct me if I'm wrong. Tylerco113x 21:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Sandra palmer revereted to this page?

WHY? There was no good reason to have her page redirected here, also I swear Lennox had his own page as well but now it's gone.Puppet125 16:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Probably because it was way too early to create an article for her. See WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball. dposse 20:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

To those complaining of a lack of references

I think a link to the recaps of episodes at the FOX website should be enough to satisfy that. Check out the article on Morris O'Brian to see what I mean.--T smitts 07:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)