User talk:24.5.145.6

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[edit] Stop removing Dexter!

If you claim that he's not real, where's YOUR proof? Hm? Go on. Show it to me. Tell me why IGN would lie about Dexter. Come on. I'm ever so eager to see your proof that the rest of us don't know about! Dexter's real. Accept it. Stop your state of denial, and leave, or just stop acting like an ignorant child. That is all. Thank you. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 23:50, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, to sign your name after making a post, use FOUR ~ The button is located on the same as the ` which is above Tab, and below Esc. You could also scroll the page down a bit and look for "Sign your username:" Just thought i'd give some helpful advice. ;) Feel free to contact me. I hope to be friends. ;) Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 00:00, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I can't get proof that shows Dexter doesn't exist. However, I CAN prove that the only piece of proof you have is false. In doing so, I prove my point without actually using proof for my case. What exactly disproves your proof that has been presented? The simple fact that I have repeated multiple times: THERE IS NO PROOF IN EXISTANCE THAT HAS PROVEN THAT THE SCREENSHOT IGN POSTED CAME FROM BIOWARE. It's not on their site anywhere, and there's absolutely no reason to give that screenshot to IGN and not post it in public. Again, IGN might not have lied about Dexter (And to be completely honest they never actually mentioned him, they just posted the screenshot); they might have found the fake somewhere on the internet and assumed it was real. Which is exactly like what 1up.com did. IN OTHER WORDS: You need proof to prove that the screenshot came from BioWare. Something on the BioWare site, possibly, that links to the screenshot. The forums don't count, of course. Also, thanks for the username-signing advice. Although, if you haven't noticed already, I sorta... Lack an account. I'll try it anyway. 24.5.145.6 (talk) 01:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

You're saying Dexter isn't real is what is false. Just because Bioware themselves didn't confirm him DOESN'T mean that he's fake. It means that they're trying not to spoil too much, and in IGN's interview, they got the screen but, where told NOT to expose it. They did so anyway. What you're saying is just you "Speculating" that IGN is lying. We've goten true info. from sites where the company didn't confirm it, and guess what, it was true. Remember in the summe when Gamespot had gameplay footage of Espio in Rivals 2? Backbone didn't confirm it but, it was true. Just wait, and see for when you will be proven wrong. Also, glad i could help with the sig.! ;) Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 02:10, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

... You didn't really just do that, did you? You didn't really just assume something, right? I'm talking about "It means that they're trying not to spoil too much, and in IGN's interview, they got the screen but, where told NOT to expose it. They did so anyway". Now, let me ask this: can you prove that? Is it possible for you to prove that statement right there? Do you WORK at IGN? Do you KNOW that they were given it and were told not to release it? No, you don't. There's no way to prove this. Thus, there's no way to prove that the current evidence presented is true. Meaning that you can't claim Dexter exists. Guesswork does nothing, sir. The point that I'm trying to stress is that WITHOUT THE PROOF, YOU CANNOT MAKE THESE CLAIMS. And I've already disproven your so called "proof". Multiple times. Unless you have a quote confirming that IGN released it against BioWare's wishes, or a quote where BioWare specifically states that it exists, then your claim will be considered BASELESS CONJECTURE. Good day. 24.5.145.6 (talk) 05:50, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I assumed that but, (I meant that, it's a possibility.) what i'm trying to say in the long run is that other than IGN's pic. we have no proof of him but, a pic. mentioning someone counts as their existance in Wiki qualifications. Even he ends up being mentioned in TDB, and not seen, he would stay there because

  • 1. It means he exists somewhere but, just wasn't involved in the story.
  • 2. He could appear in a possible sequal sometime down the road.
  • 3. Mentions, and cameos count as an appearance.

But, we have no proof saying that YOU'RE right. You're just blowing spitbubbles saying that he doesn't exist. He have evidance for his existance UP to Wiki's qualifications. Say, in an interview, Espio were to be mentioned by someone who's working on the game, we would add Espio to the list. Same if say, Gamespot had a screen showing Sonic talking to Blaze. Blaze would be added to the list. Just because Bioware themselves didn't confirm it, doesn't automaticlly make it wrong. The company making something DOESN'T have to confirm every little tidbit of info. themselves. Other sources (IGN, Gamespot, Gamespy, etc.) will somehow get their dirty little hands on info. ,and release it to the public. I hope you understand where i'm coming from. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 14:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure you just don't want Dexter to exist?

It sure seems that way...Chaoshi (talk) 22:19, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. He/She is just in denial of the fact that Amy's forgotten Sonic, and grown up over the 2 years. People need to grow up, and stop acting so immature. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 22:24, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

... I'm not sure if you got my point. The pic cannot be proven to be actual proof of Dexter since there is no connection between BioWare and the picture. I am not saying that Dexter doesn't exist in-game or that he doesn't appear in it. I'm saying he's NOT AN ACTUAL CHARACTER AT ALL. I am not saying that he's an imaginary character created by Amy. What I am saying, though, is that he's a character who someone else thought up and created a fake screenshot for so everyone around the internet would think he's an actually character created by BioWare even though he's not. The picture posted has no proof that connects it to the actual Dark Brotherhood game, because it was posted by someone who wasn't BioWare, and BioWare never mentioned it or said anything that would connect itself to it. If another site says something is true about something else, that doesn't make it true. If you're not understanding this still, because it doesn't seem like you are, here's an example:

  • 1. Someone makes a 3D model of a dog wearing a Mario hat and takes a screenshot of it in some Mario-styled 3D environment they've created.
  • 2. The same person posts it on the internet, claiming it to be "A screenshot of the next Mario game".
  • 3. A staff member from *insert gaming website here*, searching for some info on the next Mario game, finds the screenshot and believes that it's a real one.
  • 4. Said staff member posts the screenshot on *insert gaming website here* and posts the information that they found on the original website.
  • 5. Millions of people around the internet see this on *insert gaming website here* and believe it.
  • 6. Someone realizes that nowhere has Nintendo mentioned anything about this screenshot. This person tries to get other people to realize that.
  • 7. Other people be stubborn and cause the person who has realized this to do several headdesks at how immune to logic everyone else is.

All you need to do is substitute "Dexter screenshot", "IGN", and "BioWare" in there and you've got the current situation. Also, I'd like to repeat this one more time:

I AM NOT SAYING DEXTER IS NOT AN ACTUAL CHARACTER AND IS JUST MENTIONED BY AMY TO MAKE SONIC JEALOUS OR ANY OF THAT CRAP

I AM SAYING THAT HE IS A FAKE CHARACTER MADE UP BY SOMEONE WHO IS TRYING TO MAKE YOU ALL BELIEVE THAT HE'S ACTUALLY IN AND/OR MENTIONED IN SC:TDB

Good day, sir. 24.5.145.6 (talk) 23:35, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay. So you are SPECTULATING. YOU are wrong. IGN would not just take something like that. Go find a way to contact Bioware or something, will you? YOU are the one being stuborn. You are in denial of IGN confirming something. Listen again, Bioware does not, I repeat: "BIOWARE DOES NOT" need to confirm info. themselves. Other sources get their hands on info. Bioware won't state EVERYTHING themselves. You don't seem to understand this. Imagine Gamespy say a fansite with a pic. of Silver, even if it were real, they're NOT allowed to use it UNLESS Bioware confirms it. Understand? Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 05:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone remember that fiasco with 1up.com and the Brawl roster? Because that, right there, is proof that gaming websites don't need any permission or confirmation from the actual companies. They can go and post information as they please, assuming that it's legitimate info. Get it? They don't need permission. They just want information and will use whatever they find as long as they think it's real. 24.5.145.6 (talk) 06:15, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

They made that themselves. Same for the Baby Birdo screen for MKW. Untill, anything new comes about, it's staying the hell the same. I'm getting sick of your ignorance. Good bye, and good ridiance. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 21:12, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

They made it themselves? As in, they falsified information and posted it on their site? If they can do it, what says IGN can't? That would explain why BioWare hasn't mentioned the screenshot anywhere or said anything about it. You can't discuss something if you don't know it exists. But back on your side of the argument for a moment; you said a while back that IGN can't post something if they don't verify it, or at least that gaming websites must. That point seems to be a major, if not the only, part of your argument. But I've actually noticed something; you've never proven it. Not once in my life have I ever heard of the fact that gaming websites must confirm their information with the game's creators. It's quite possible that you're just assuming it, and that you're actually just lying to prove your point.

Until you can prove that gaming websites need to confirm their information with the actual companies, your claim is invalid.

Why you people choose to believe that your side of the argument is right after seeing overwhelming logic that disproves it is far beyond me. Once again, sir, good day. Edit: I'd also like to thank you for teaching me how to do bullet points. Really good for organization.24.5.145.6 (talk) 15:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Just so you know, the latest issue of NP has the picture with Amy talking about Dexter in it. Chaoshi (talk) 20:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC)