User talk:24.21.106.174

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Please see: Any PEO member to understand the importance and depth of this organization. This is speculative information. Your sources aren't good enough.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, and the P.E.O. Sisterhood is free not to disclose their secrets to the public (though in my opinion, this secrecy is childish and undermines the credibility and attractiveness of the organization to many potential members and supporters). But what you aren't entitled to do is to remove verifiable information from Wikipedia. The information isn't speculative (certainly not any more so than the disinformation that PEO stands for Philanthropic Educational Organization, etc., other interpretations that aren't being systematically vandalized from this page), and both the cited sources are just fine according to a consensus of Wikipedia editors. So please stop unconstructively editing the page. --24.21.106.174 (talk) 06:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Look, I don't want to continue to engage in an "edit war" with you. But this is something so important that I (and others after me) will continue to fight for. It's something that is above me. Four generations of my family have fought to keep this a secret, and while I understand you are doing what you think you need to do, please just respect us and our organization. It's not about being right or wrong, it's truly about the passion I feel for P.E.O. When the rest of my family was in it, I thought it was really silly and only did it because I thought I was expected to. I never dreamed I would get as much from it as I have. I am so overwhelmed by the kindness and compassion these ladies embody, and I am BEGGING you to just leave us be, and let us keep our "childish" secrets. It might undermine us to the rest of the world, but I don't have the words or the capacity to explain to you how much this secret means to its members. P.E.O. is such a special organization. It's about the relationships I have built, and the inner meaning I have found from volunteering. And the secrets of P.E.O. is something I not only get to share with the members of my chapter, but with my mother, grandmother, sister, aunts, great aunts, and (if they were still alive) great grandmothers. They kept this a secret to their grave. Please don't just treat it as a careless, useless peice of information for everyone to see. It was kept a secret for so long because we try to promote "selfless" volunteering. This means that we shouldn't parade ourselves around as do-gooders, we just do it. We adopted the "It's Okay To Talk About P.E.O. campaign so we could boost our membership. But the talking we do is about friendship and finding support through other women in our communities. It's a bond I can't really explain. I would lay down everything I have for my "sisters." Please, please, please, just respect our wishes and let us hold the meaning dear to us in the way we choose to hold it-- as a secret. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbreneman (talk • contribs) 04:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Alas, Tbreneman, the cat is long out of the bag (at least regarding the historic meaning of PEO -- there are other secret aspects of PEO which I'm sure continue to be secret). In fact, ironically enough, I think Sisters' repeated deletion of the true name from the Wikipedia article is the strongest public evidence so far of what the secret name actually is: Wikipedia is one of the most visited websites on the internet, and the edit logs and discussion pages for each article are public and archived forever. Even if I were to abide by your wishes and stop restoring the name when it is deleted, other Wikipedia editors would step in to preserve the integrity of the page instead (as you can see from recent edits). So, please, do the right thing and leave Wikipedia be! Wikipedia isn't infringing upon the rights of or disrespecting the P.E.O. Sisterhood in any way, but exactly the reverse is true. You know, I really do care about PEO and want to see it flourish (just as I do Wikipedia, for that matter), and it saddens me to see the leadership of the organization stoop to lying about the meaning of the name on it's webpage, and the membership seemingly focus more on keeping secrets than promoting the organization's mission. --24.21.106.174 (talk) 01:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for mocking my genuine attempts to explain to you how important this is to some people. I really hope you are getting enjoyment out of all of this, while the thousands of women who try to keep it a secret are hurt by your actions. But by all means, continue to do whatever is in the best interests of yourself.Tbreneman (talk) 14:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm not mocking you, Tbreneman. I've done all I can to explain my actions, which I try my best to align with Wikipedia's policies and spirit, in a respectful and rational manner. And I really don't enjoy this; just the opposite. So I'll ask you once again: please revert your edits removing valid published and cited information, and start behaving in a manner that furthers the goals of Wikipedia (not just of the P.E.O. Sisterhood). --24.21.106.174 (talk) 03:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I am convinced you don't have a single ounce of good intention in you. I am disgusted, and I will continue to protect the integrity of an organization that has nothing but good intentions. Even if you don't enjoy it, there is no way you could ever feel what we're feeling knowing that an organization that does nothing but good is being exploited. I am just absolutely sick about this.Tbreneman (talk) 14:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Please stop personally attacking me. You might want to read the Assume Good Faith and Conflict of Interest guidelines to understand the context in which I've been making my remarks and rebuttals. --24.21.106.174 (talk) 17:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)