User talk:24.182.143.16

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[edit] Your edits to Whisper Number

Hello, somehow I've been drawn into this conflict and so I want to let you know that I gave created a section on the talk page for you to explain your edits, which to me seem to be advertising for a particular web site (EarningsWhispers.com) so please, instead of reverting the current change explain why you're making said edits first so you and 69.69.74.108 can sort this out. Thanks Agent452 (talk) 01:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


Agent452,

To make sure I am as thorough as possible I’m going to explain my additions to the page and then address 69.69.74.108’s comments. Hopefully I successfully state my position clearly.

First, you state that my revisions appear to be advertising for EarningsWhispers.com and I can see how you get to that. But really it is just because I’m including commentary about EarningsWhispers.com for the first time. If you review the discussion of the page you will see that it was originally created by WhisperNumber.com and, I would conclude, as an effort to advertise their site. However, there are really only two sites that provide whisper numbers so it is in their best interest to make sure their competitor’s site is not mentioned in a discussion of whisper numbers. In an effort to even things out, I’ve added commentary about EarningsWhispers.com.

Now, the original page (or at least the one before I made any changes) had three major themes: 1) is that whisper numbers are either expectations that are spread among professional traders or gathered from individual investors, 2) they can be useful trading tools, and 3) whisper numbers on WhisperNumber.com can be manipulated because they come from individual investors’ posts on their website rather than from a professional source so you can’t always trust whisper numbers.

Therefore, when I made my additions, I naturally included references to EarningsWhispers.com because the differences between the two sites address them 1 and 2. Including EarningsWhispers.com is important to the discussion because it addresses the difference between gathering estimates from individual investors or professionals and, consequently, whether whisper numbers can be trusted. EarningsWhispers.com gets expectations from analysts rather than individual investors, thus the numbers are not likely to be manipulated. As a result, they are shown to be more accurate than consensus estimates, are likely to be the true expectations of professional traders, and only then can they be trusted to be a useful trading tool.

Before I address 69.69.74.108’s comments, let me first say that I did not remove or change any commentary from any previous post. Furthermore, every single item I posted included a valid reference from a leading financial publication such as Bloomberg News, Barron’s, the Wall Street Journal, or a published book.

Ok, so now 69.69.74.108 claims I vandalized the page (rather than his deletions and vulgar comments) and first said “According to Alexa.com and Compete.com, EarningsWhispers.com is the source most commonly used” NO SOURCE. Alexa.com and Compete.com are the source. If you want I can link direction to the traffic pages for http://siteanalytics.compete.com/earningswhispers.com+whispernumber.com/?metric=uv which shows that EarningsWhispers.com had five times as many unique users to its website in December.


69.69.74.108 then said: “On the other hand, EarningsWhispers.com gets its whispered expectations from the analysts following the company and regularly cites the analysts, by name, for the projection. Therefore, EarningsWhispers.com]'s numbers are not susceptible to manipulation and are more likely to get the true expectations of institutional traders and that are spread among trading desks." NO SOURCE, NO PROOF. Don't take one idiots word over another....its all about sourcing, right?

However, in the latest version I posted, I did reference a Wall Street Journal article from 2000 that is appropriately titled “Consider the Source When Evaluating 'Whisper Estimates' on the Internet” that has an interview with a professional analyst stating he has given expectations to EarningsWhispers.com.

So, to summarize, it is understandable that WhisperNumber.com doesn’t want a discussion or even a reference to EarningsWhispers.com because, as 69.69.74.108 said in his comments to you, it affects his livelihood. But every single addition I made to the page was supported by a very credible reference.

Therefore, I ask that you please add back my additions to the whisper number article.

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