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[edit] Welcome

Hello, Kumusta ka? Baka gusto mong tumambay?

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--Jondel 04:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 23

Hi! Can I ask about the 23 part of your user name? My mom, I,my nephew and this guru I am interested in were all born on the 23rd of the month.It seems to be some sort of significant number.--Jondel 04:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Hi, I would like to express my gratitude for your participation at my recent RfA. The final vote was 68/21/3 and resulted in me becoming an admin!

For those of you who supported my RfA, I highly appreciate your kind words and your trust in me. For those who opposed - many of you expressed valid concerns regarding my activity here; I will make an effort in addressing them as time goes on while at the same time using my admin tools appropriately. So, salamat, gracias, merci, ありがとう, спасибо, धन्यवाद, 多謝, agyamanak unay, شكرًا, cảm ơn, 감사합니다, mahalo, ขอบคุณครับ, go raibh maith agat, dziękuję, ευχαριστώ, Danke, תודה, mulţumesc, გმადლობთ, etc.! If you need any help, feel free to contact me.

PS: I took the company car (pictured left) out for a spin, and well... it's not quite how I pictured it. --Chris S. 23:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oprah

Please explain why a Biblical passage from Judges is fitting for the Oprah Winfrey article. Perhaps it would be appropriate as a citation to explain the origin of Ms. Winfrey's name. - GilliamJF 04:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Operation Enduring Freedom - Phillipines

Can you please reply with why you added the globalize tag and what you feel can change its need for being there, please note the subject is specifically about the US operation and not the conflict between Phillipines and the two groups, hence the globalize tag does not seem appropriate as there is no larger scope in my opinion. However please reply with what you feel while keeping within the subject would be helpful in satisfying your views. --zero faults |sockpuppets| 17:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pangasinense people‎/Pangasinan people

Hi 23prootie,

I noticed you edited the Pangasinense people‎/Pangasinan people‎ data on the Ethnic Groups project. There are two diffrent articles referring to the same group. I suggested a merge, but there doesn't seem to be any interest. Thanks, Ling.Nut 12:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I suppose I could merge the pages myself, but I don't know anything about the topic. I would just be copy/pasting existing info into a single page. More importantly, I don't know whether the authors of the two pages want to merge, and moreover, I don't know which term is more common (Pangasinense people or Pangasinan).

Tks Ling.Nut 12:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Award of The Barnstar of High Culture

The Barnstar of High Culture

The Barnstar of High Culture is awarded for excellence and diligence in editing List of Religions. Awarded by Addhoc

[edit] Removing Iglesia ni Cristo from Category:Religion in the Philippines.

Why did you remove the article from the category? --LBMixPro <Speak|on|it!> 05:35, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jarai

Hi, wondering why you added category "Cham" to the Jarai page. Wouldn't that be like putting "Portuguese" in the "Spanish" category? Badagnani 19:21, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Birthday

Wishing 23prootie a very happy birthday from Addhoc!


Woow ! Thanks.23prootie 03:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sulu Sultanate

Nice work implementing the former country infobox in the Sulu Sultanate article. For future reference, since this template is quite complicated and still under development, a detailed set of instructions for using the template are given here. Keep up the good work. - 52 Pickup 17:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Visayan culture != Cebuano culture (cat of Elena)

Bay,

Visayan culture is not the same as Cebuano culture. The latter is a subset of the former. Also, since literature falls under culture, and theater falls under literature, I think it is redundant to add Category:Visayan culture to the article. --Bentong Isles 12:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, since Cebuano culture is a subset of Visayan culture, then everything that falls under Cebuano culture must also fall under Visayan culture. I'm just populating the categories.23prootie 19:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eskaya

Just checking on the removal of Eskaya from the Template:Demographics of the Philippines? --Pinay06 02:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I made a new template exclusively for the Bisaya. see {{BisayaPeoplesmall}}

23prootie 02:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I now have doubts whethter or not the eskayans are/were Bisaya so I moved them to
v • d • e
Philippine tribes
The Philippine Flag
23prootie 03:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Okey. Good job! The templates have been changing a lot, though ha? Anyway, the Eskaya or Visayan-Eskaya are specifically Boholanos and Bisaya. See Visayan-Eskaya. --Pinay06 03:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] From Talk:Visayan-Eskaya

Hi, the Visayan-Eskaya and Eskaya articles will be merged soon. With regards to the Bisaya vs tribes template, I personally view the Eskaya as a subgroup of Bisaya and not strictly speaking in the same category as other 'highlander' minority groups of the Philippines. However, there are plenty who would dispute this. In conclusion, I think you could get away with putting them in either category. The Eskaya are just one of those ambiguous ones. 58.7.140.252 04:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)PerezKelly posted here by --Pinay06 05:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eskaya

Please respect the tag:inuse. I was on a major overhaul and your edit cost me some time of work! Refer to:[1] & [2] --Pinay06 19:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry.
I forgot to ask, now what was it that you wanted to change in the article when I was doing the overhaul? You can place it in Talk:Eskaya or in my user talk, either way is fine. Thank you for the desire to contribute. --Pinay06|Talk|Email 22:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On December 13, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Aklanon, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks very much 23prootie for creating this interesting article which was nominated kindly by GeeJo. Feel free to self-nom in future, like the majority of entries. Keep up the great work on the people of Phillipines Philippines! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smile

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[edit] Eskayan

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Hi! Is it possible for you to help me with the infobox for Eskayan? Thanks. Please let me know your response, positive or otherwise, in my talk page. --Pinay06|talk 20:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Let's vote for Mariano Trias

Hey there 23prootie! I would like to ask for your vote for the article of Mariano Trias in Wikipedia's Article Creation and Improvement Drive. It's nearing it's deadest deadline.

I believe that this article still needs a bit of clean-up and expansion. I hope you would vote for the article in this link as soon as possible.

Thanks a lot!!! ---- Kevin Ray 13:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season's greetings

Merry Christmas!!! The real meaning of Christmas is thisand this...--Pinay06 (Talk•Email) 04:49, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Also enjoy this and this --Pinay06 (Talk•Email) 04:54, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for the wiki smile

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Hey...Can you help me with the infobox for Eskayan? Salamat... --Pinay (talk•email) 20:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Salamat 'day ha? Buotan ka...--Ate Pinay (talk•email) 23:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Welcome! :)23prootie 23:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tambayan Philippines

Baka gusto mo ring tumambay sa WP:PINOY at maki-tsika sa WT:PINOY. Kita tayo doon? --Pinay (talk•email) 23:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eskayan info box

Hi there, the Eskayan info box looks great but unfortunately it doesn't work
- There is not yet any available information on the number of speakers. My own personal estimation is less than fifty but this is not an official figure.
-While Eskayan is a speech variety of Cebuano it cannot be classed as Cebuano via Austronesian, Malayo-polynesian, Meso Philippine etc. This is partly because according to conventional methodologies the genetics of a language are framed primarily through lexical comparison, not grammatical comparison. These classifications emerged from the discipline of historical linguistics which is about finding out the origins of languages. Eskayan most likely emerged in situ for a specific purpose and derived its structure but not vocab from Cebuano. It's a complicated state of affairs. Suffice to say, the Eskayan is like Frankenstein's monster: It has no parents and its various parts were intentionally stitched together from other places.
I suggest you take it down before an outraged historical linguist (like Dalubwika) does it for you!
Thanks for the thought though! Perezkelly

[edit] South East Asia

I am about to revert your recent changes to South East Asia. Such a blanking should be explained. If you have a valid reason, an edit summary would make it unnecessary for other editors to contact you. thanks Merbabu 14:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

hmmm - then the info should be removed - not hidden. Except, i don't believe that it is cluttered. Although if it is indeed cluttered, I don't mean to cause offence, i think these edits [3] do not reduce any apparent "clutter". I will have a closer look though. regards Merbabu 14:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
PS, no matter what the reasons for your changes, please use the edit summary so other editors know what you are intending. It's standard WP protocol. thanks Merbabu 14:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Fine, I guess.–23prootie 14:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I saw your recent edits have removed a lot of contents. Do you have any reasoning for that? — Indon (reply) — 14:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I have opened your hiddent comments back. It's okay, no need to apology. I know you were acting it in a good faith. How about copyediting one by one? Remove small unecessary details, but keep good written content as it is. If I had to compare with East Asia, then East Asia article is not a good wikipedia article. The content is not enough. Southeast Asia article (I've never edited this article), in my view, is already good with written descriptions about Culture, Geography, Religion, Politics, etc. However, it still needs a lot of copyediting. So, would you like to go for it? Good luck! :-) — Indon (reply) — 14:41, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. :)23prootie 14:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding edits made to Islamic Insurgency in the Philippines

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Oh, you mean [http://www.example.com/ link title]. Believe me, it's not affiliated with me in any way.--23prootie 02:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ASEAN heritage sites

On what basis are you adding Borobudur, Prambanan, Angkor, etc.? They are not listed at the ASEAN site here: [4] (Caniago 04:00, 7 February 2007 (UTC))

Ooops, I think I'll remove them.--23prootie 04:03, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. It would be great if you could also get the category renamed to ASEAN Heritage Parks as per [5] (Caniago 04:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC))

Wel, I'm sorry cause I don't know how to move a Category.--23prootie 04:25, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it's better to create a new one--23prootie 04:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
The process for renaming categories is here: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion (Caniago 04:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC))
Thanks :)! --23prootie 05:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:European Americans

I am confused as to why you deleted Bosnian-Americans and Maltese-Americans and why you added Canadian, Cajun, Pennsylvania Dutch, Amerasian, Melungeon, Louisiana Creole, and Redbone. If you would please explain your reasoning on the discussion page of the template so that everyone is aware of why you made the changes it would be very helpful. In my personal opinion a European American has nothing to do with Canadians, Cajun, Louisiana Creole, Mungeon, or Redbone because all of these are not "fully european" they are mostly mixtures or ethnic groups. Refer to the European American ancestries map for insight as to which groups should be added to the template.--Joebengo 04:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and revised it but there is still doubt whether some of the "others" should be on the list, I'll work on it when I can.--Joebengo 04:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
According to the sourced heading of the article [[European American]s

Qoute:

  • A European American, or a Euro-American, is a person who resides in the United States and is either the descendant of European immigrants or from Europe him or herself.

I think the word descendant is enough reason to include them.––23prootie 18:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] regarding your edits on BayanMuna

It is important to note that I did not say Filipinos were lazy and inefficient. I said Bayan Muna's policies make it more beneficial for a worker to be lazy and inefficient through rent-seeking behavior. And to prove the point that Bayan's claims of exploitation and the poor being worsed off under a capitalist system one must compare with other countries under such a system. I admit the it wasn't as encyclopeadic as I hoped. But removing the idea of rent-seeking behavior promoted by Bayan Muna is too much. Inflation is just one factor. For an illustration of how increasing wages w/o regard to worker productivity causes inflation go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gloria_Macapagal-Arroyo#RXN_to_peoplestruth.2C_though_this_is_not_the_right_place

May I ask, have you finished college? (you're 19 but it's possible). Because the issues I have raised are very much connected in an economic sense. I didn't want to have to explain all the forces and theories behind the ideas I wrote; because it is an article on Bayan/Bayan Muna and not an economics article. Which is why I had links to economic concepts so the reader could put 2 and 2 together. Your history of pages edited do not indicate an understanding of economics. If it is unclear and seems biased to you I'm willing to edit. But please put your objections on the discussion page. Responsiblebum 08:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

You could revert it if you want but you should really make it encyclopeadic since you said it yourself, it's not. And btw, i does not matter whether I have finished college or not, becuase its not about me.—23prootie 14:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Can you be more specific when you say it is unencyclopeadic. When I say it isn't as much as i hoped, it didn't mean it was completely unencyclopeadic. Regarding whether you finished college or not, I need to know so I have an inkling where you're coming from. Or at least whether you took basic economics. Responsiblebum 14:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, before I edited it, I think the whole article is unencyclopeadic. While it did provide sources, the article as a whole portrayed a "negative" bias, specifically poiltical bias, against Bayan Muna. As for my educationaol attainment, why do you need to knw it? If your going to explain something just do it. You don't have to harass me.—–23prootie 15:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit to European Americans

Your edit to European Americans can be seen as POV pushing and can be reverted, be sure to explain yourself when making such edits.--Joebengo 02:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I'll take it to the talk page next time.--23prootie 03:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
And I think you mean this article at the bottom not that article.--23prootie 03:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
v • d • e
European Americans
Northern Europe
Western Europe
Central Europe
Eastern Europe
Southern Europe
Caucasus
Other
† Azerbaijanis of Azerbaijan; Iranian Azeris live outside Europe.
You know waht, It's fine if you don't want to include them but that would self contradict the article.--23prootie 03:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I meant that the primary language for European Americans was and is first and foremost English, German, French etc. The fact that Spanish is widely spoken is the US has no bearing for the languages spoken by the European Americans. That was my point. It had nothing to do with Mexicans. Spanish speakering Americans originally from Europe is way too little compared to German, French, Scandinavian and Anglo-Saxon Americans.. Baristarim 03:53, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, i get it. sorry about that, you can revert it if you want.--23prootie 03:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Bohol

I hope you know what you are doing! Please restore if you don't! --Ate Pinay (talk•email) 02:23, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

May I ask that you stop doing some edits for now because the portal is just being launched in Bohol right now. Give the people time to savor the portal...Do your edits next week! --Ate Pinay (talk•email) 03:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Asian Americans

I reverted your change to the template. Please discuss your changes on the talk page so we can arrive at consensus. Thank you! --Ishu 18:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You!

I would like to thank you for the recent edits you have done on ASEAN. The article is currently under going a GA review, and I am sure that your contributions will help the article to achieve that status and standard. The work you have done is hence greatly appreciated. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 15:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

--Wow!!!! Your welcome. ^_^ ---23prootie 15:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Your kindest efforts have been well-appreciated. The article has passed the review, and achieved that coveted status of GA! Once more, I would like to thank you for helping out in this process, and would like to encourage to contribute yet more in the future. Thank you! Ariedartin JECJY Talk 08:56, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] East Asia Summit

Hello you have added back in references to Timor Leste attending the 2nd EAS. I had removed them (but said why on the discussion page for the East Asia Summit) as I cannot find any source that states Timor Leste was in Cebu for the EAS. I agree Timor Leste is an applicant (and will join) ASEAN and was in Cebu (2 days before the EAS) to sign the TAC but I have not seen any report that Timor Leste was at the EAS proper. Can we review this on the discussion page for the East Asia Summit? Thank you --202.4.78.29 03:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Visayan languages

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I reverted your edit, too. Not all Visayan language are called Binisaya. And Binisaya is not a term used in English, Visayan is. It's like moving French language to Langue française or something. --Chris S. 12:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:WorldCurrencies

I recently noticed the changes you made to the world currencies templates. I think that the templates were better before the changes. I have tried to find an explanation on the talk page, but don't see it. I'm tempted to roll-back the changes, but wanted to invite you to explain your reasoning first (or point me to where you've discussed it previously, if you have). I've explained why I think the old way was better here. Ingrid 04:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Philippine territorial disputes

Do you deem it necessary to add Palmas Island to the template, when it has already been resolved, thereby it is not disputed anymore?— scorpion prinz 16:40, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ASEAN

May I ask, why did you remove ASEAN kechil from the see also section of this article? I thought you may have turned it into an inline reference but that was not the case. I think it is a relevant and legitimate wikilink. Thanks. --Rifleman 82 19:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

  • It's a stub, it has no relevance.--23prootie 19:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
    • All articles start as stubs, and ASEAN kechil being a subset of ASEAN is very relevant to this article. I'm reverting for this reason. --Rifleman 82 20:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
      • that article is not gouing to get lost since I've placed them in relevant categories, please add more content if you want it to be included.-23prootie 20:38, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kurów

Could you please write a stub about Kurów on Filipino language here - just a few sentences based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w ? Only 3-5 sentences enough. Please.

PS. Article about Kurów is already on 175 languages. If your village/town/city isn't yet on PL wiki, I can do article about it. (I'm first author of requests) Pietras1988 TALK 09:05, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Northern Mariana Islands

Just what language in the CNMI is Sino-Tibetan? Current and historical languages include Chamorro, Spanish, Carolinian, German, Japanese, and English, none of which Sino-Tibetan. HkCaGu 10:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

  • The language of the Chinese plurality that is over 20% of the population.23prootie 10:30, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
    • But: (1) The Chinese language has no legal status. (2) The Chinese aren't residents, just temporary workers who can be all wiped out (sent home) in a matter of years (and it is happening!) (3) A significant portion of them aren't even Han Chinese or of S-T linguistic origin. There is a significant Chinese population in Tonga, Solomon Islands and Panama, but who'd call them "Chinese-speaking countries"? HkCaGu 18:24, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
My point is that the Chinese population there are just as large or larger than the native Chamorro population, and while no Chinese language has official status there, there's no doubt that it is spoken by a visible part of the population. Anyway, who told you they're not U.S. citizens?23prootie 03:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Chinese percentage per country Tonga:<2%, Solomon Islands:<2%, Panama:<5%, Northern Mariana Islands:22%(Even if only 60% of the Chineses in this territory are able to speak Chinese, they are still a lot). --23prootie 03:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
It's common knowledge that the Chinese and Filipino "population" are overwhelmingly non-resident (not even eligible to stay in the CNMI after the job's over), with the Chinese mostly being in the garment industry. (The choice to import foreign non-resident laborers is the only reason the Chamorros got outnumbered.) A small number of Chinese businesspeople received CNMI permanent resident status which doesn't give them US green card status thus no path to citizenship. Since the 2000 census (in reality since 2005 WTO tariff regulation changes), half of the factories are closed, and probably half of the Chinese are gone. The rest of the workers will likely disappear soon, leaving only those related to the tourism and supportive industries. HkCaGu 06:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Anyway, they're not yet gone so the template stays...23prootie 17:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Austronesian-speaking countries and territories

Hi 23prootie,

(template is almost unreadable)

For the sake of future editing, I'm intrigued to know how the template was almost unreadable (text too small? malfunctioning columns? background? abbreviations?). Thanks in advance for any insight. Thanks also for reformatting the template; as well as looking much improved here (Firefox v2 browser on PC), I realize it's a way to simplify/refine the code for templates such as this (duly added to the to-do list). Meanwhile, I've tweaked a couple of settings, in particular the font-size, so hope all looks fine where you are. Best wishes, David Kernow (talk) 19:40, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

It was malfunctioning columns... Anyway, your welcome! :)23prootie 03:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Metropolis

Hello 23prootie. I just wanted to let you know that the model you used to re-arrange the page metropolis might not be the best. The Americas are often divided into two or one continent, but two regions are invariably the same: Central America and the Caribbean and South America. The model you used is rare, based in what is used in other articles here in Wikipedia. I hope you don't mind my reversion.

Perhaps you don't like Central America being called a region of North America, but that is the 7 continents model, and however, the region contains the same countries and the same name: Central America.

Thank you. AlexCovarrubias ( Talk? ) 05:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sakizaya

Hi 23prootie,

I remember you've done several good things for articles related to Taiwanese aborigines. However, listing Sakizaya as a living Formosan language is simply not possible. Linguistics is my field of study. I just now did a search on adatabase of linguistics journals. There are no articles in any linguistic journals — none — that even mention Sakizaya as a language or even a dialect... would you please self-revert your edit to Formosan languages? Thanks! Ling.Nut 16:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

    • There, all done.--23prootie 16:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks.. but in my opinion, all of that stuff about a Sakizaya language on the Sakizaya people page is also unacceptable. All you have is an article in a popular magazine that mentions a study by ethnologists (not linguists!) and does not even directly mention what the study concluded about their "language" .. and even if it did, it's unpublished... no ... it just won't work at all. I believe every bit of it needs to be deleted. If you like, you can find another linguist to get a second opinion.... Thanks! Ling.Nut 17:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I've hidden it instead so what do you think?23prootie 17:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

(undent) I'm gonna ask a linguist with more exp. (and a PhD, which I don't have yet!) for an opinion... Thanks! Ling.Nut 17:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I am a linguist who has worked on several Wikipedia language articles, and Ling.Nut has asked me to give an opinion on this Sakizaya issue. Unfortunately I have no expertise at all on Formosan languages so I am not in a very good position to have an opinion. What I am able to say is that I know Ling.Nut from exchanges regarding other language-related questions and from the impression I have formed, I respect him as a fellow-linguist (whether or not he has yet obtained his PhD is not particularly relevant to me; neither is the fact that I have one) and I am aware that he is a serious, rigorous student of Formosan languages. For those reasons I would certainly tend to give him credit and take his point of view very seriously if he informs us, as he has done, of his doubts about the Sakizaya language, the lack of creditable scholarly recognition thereof, and the questionability of information given in the corresponding article.
Beyond that, my opinions cannot be decisive on the matter that seems to divide you, but I am a bit puzzled by the fact that in the table in the article purporting to compare some Sakizaya and Amis words, which cites a popular journalistic source (rarely worth relying on for scientific information!), the forms given are not in fact the same as those given in the source cited. Do you have some other source that you're using for the forms you mention, and if so why haven't you named the source used; and if not, how is it that the forms are different? Just wondering... Cheers, Alan --A R King 15:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Well... it's kinda in Chinese which I don't speak.-23prootie 22:28, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Amihan

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[edit] List of unrecognized countries

Next time you add or edit something, consider doing the SHOW PREVIEW first until it looks final rather than saving the page 6 or 7 times. Thanks.

[edit] Barnstar Mockery

On May 7th of this year, at 14:37, the user page User:Dr Spam (MD) was created. Within a period of 48 hours, User:Dr Spam (MD) had placed approximately 55 barnstars on user pages and user talk pages. Many recipients doubted the sincerity of the sentiments behind these barnstars, in part because of the comments placed by Dr Spam on the barnstars. A sampling of the reasons that Dr. Spam offered for presenting barnstars to editors:

  • Hi - I am putting this here in case there's trouble later. Please accept this tireless barnstar thing for all of your wiki-activity. Thanks. User:Dr Spam (MD) 16:08, 11 May 2007
  • nice one! User:Dr Spam (MD) 16:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Hi I am leaving you with this barnstar for you to reflect carefully on. I will provide the citation in a few days once you have had the opportunity to consider why I might think that you deserve it. Peace User:Dr Spam (MD) 16:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Well done for all of your fantastic editing / writing: you are obviously a genius of our day, shining like the brightest barnstar against a dark barnnight in these new and difficult wiki-times. I therefore award you the surreal barnstar (I can't get the other barnstars to work properly - my apologies.) Please note that you have no right to remove the barnstar, for it is sacred. LEAVE WELL ALONE! Many thanks.
  • awesome contribution to this web site! have a lovely barnstar thing User:Dr Spam (MD) 12:01, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
  • cool editing
  • Awesome
  • Cool.
  • I am awarding you a surreal barnstar because you obviously deserve it! Keep up the good work - don't slacken off, it'll get harder before it gets easier!
  • Hy my cat (the fat white one) is awarding you this barnstar of diligence because he doesn't eat fish either. He just likes to eat biscuits - or so he says. But how then does he get so fat????

Occasionally Dr. Spam's comments did appear sincere (if vague), but a review of the record indicates that sincere-appearing comments were generally generated during a massive cut-and-paste session. There were also many barnstars presented with no comments at all, and even more that User:Dr Spam (MD) presented without signing his name to indicate from whom the award was coming.

In response, once this pattern of apparent insincerity was established, a few experienced editors asked Dr. Spam to desist from barnstar spamming, in the belief that randomly awarding barnstars devalues the entire barnstar program. (Indeed, so random was the placement of barnstars, that some were even placed on wiki accounts that had not been active for over a year.) Dr. Spam has now stopped, presumably recognizing that his efforts were not appreciated by the majority of editors.

Most of the barnstars placed by Dr. Spam during his May campaign have been voluntarily removed by the editors on whose pages they were placed. You are receiving this notice because Dr. Spam's barnstar still remains on your page. If you feel that Dr. Spam's barnstar spamming was a form of mockery, you may choose to remove it yourself. But if the way this barnstar was "awarded" does not bother you, you are of course free to keep it on your page. After all, it is your page. This notification was simply for your information. HuskyHuskie 13:29, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kayumanggi

Hi 23. I saw your username in tl.wiktionary.:) Just wondering what exactly does "lahing kayumanggi" means. Does it mean Malay race? Is this term widely used in Philippines? Wide enough to be included in the article Malay race? Salamat! kawaputratorque 16:06, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi! Just saw your post as 23's page is on my watchlist. Lahing kayumanggi literally means "brown race" (lahi = race/enthnicity/nation; kayumanggi = brown). This is one of the common appelations Filipinos use to refer to all Filipinos as a class. The appellation,obviously, refers to the color of their skin; political correctness aside, Filipinos don't have the same skin color as the lahing puti ("white people" = people of European/Caucasian descent) and the lahing itim ("black people" = people of African descent). (One wonders then where people of Sino-Japanese descent and Arabic descent fit in =P) This came from a well-known folk legend about how God or the gods created people, and has been used again and again by some Filipino writers. --- Tito Pao 21:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] No content in Category:Visayan gods

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[edit] Pinoy Idol

Can't you wait for the discussion to be resolved, at least? You can edit all you want if the issue is resolved, your edits are against consensus, and even common sense "to say Manila = Metro Manila, ergo, Pasay is in Manila" is wrong and absurd. --Howard the Duck 07:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry but no.-23prootie (talk) 08:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
You can't even wait for a few minutes? LOL. --Howard the Duck 08:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Ang tagal e!-23prootie (talk) 08:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
(English translation above: It's taking too long for you to respond.) Starczamora (talk) 15:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
That's not an excuse. I waited for days before doing massive edits. I hope you do so, too. --Howard the Duck 08:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
BTW, since you reverted more than thrice, you're in violation of the WP:3RR rule. Now the best thing you can do to avoid being blocked is to revert the article to its original state. If you won't do that I'll report you for 3RR. --Howard the Duck 08:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm logging out sorry.23prootie (talk) 09:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm here to notify you that I've filed a 3RR report against you. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:23prootie reported by User:Howard the Duck (Result: ). --Howard the Duck 10:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Please, resolve first the issue before imposing your own version, like in {{Philippine territorial disputes}}. Don't revert to your version unless there is consensus already. --Howard the Duck 10:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

Hi, you've been reported for a 3RR violation on Pinoy Idol and have been blocked from editing for 24 hours. Please take the time to review the 3RR policy. Many thanks, SlimVirgin (talk)(contribs) 15:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Since your block has expired you're free to edit again but please resolve the issue first before reverting for your version, and have patience. I've waited days before doing edits so a 2-minute wait for a reply is a stupid reason to revert to your version. The moment you revert to your version again, I will not hesitate to go to WP:AN/I, and since your activity is rather infrequent, the 24-hour block may mean nothing to you, I'll endorse a longer block time. --Howard the Duck 13:21, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:UK Census: White British

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[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:UK Census Chinese or Other

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[edit] About Policies, activities and history of the Philippines in Spratly Islands

Hello kababayan. Let's not make the situation go worst. We're on the point on having edit wars. Don't you know consensus. When you tried to edit many things from that article, I tried to revert some, not all, FOR THE SAKE OF CONSENSUS. Yet, it seems you're the type of person who will try his best to edit a page in exact way you want. What are you? A perfect man.

I appreciate your effort in making edits in the article. However, you should concentrate on editing the content than adding too many templates and reorganizing the sections of the article. In the talk page, you included the page in wikiprojects of China, Taiwan, etc., but the article is about Philippines in Spratly islands only. The way you reorganize and rename the sections are inappropriate too. You have reduced Activities and Policies to mere Activities although the Construction subsection deals more with policy than activity. You renamed Guarding Activity to Security. Security is a very vague term. I thought of having it as Security Activity, but that’s a little uncommon term. The subsection titled Guarding Activity is named so because it deals only with how Philippine forces guard the features. If it’s Security, you must at least include other matters relating to the actual security in the area, not just the mere guarding. (FYI, security is not equal to guarding. If you don’t get it, well, I have no time explaining it).

I have deleted one reference you have included. The link you provided there links to an inappropriate page.

On the issue on the title of the article. You moved it to Philippine Claim in Spratly Islands. Maybe you should read the definition of “claim” first. The Philippine claim is not even discussed in the article. Long names are not bad as long as they correctly and sufficiently satisfy the topic of the article.

Before, I have the last section named as Acts against China. You renamed it as Chinese Activity. I realized that my original naming is inaccurate too. However, yours is inaccurate also. Chinese activity can refer to many things. So I’ve retitled it to Response to Illegal fishing. Yet, you have even undone that. I can’t imagine you did that, renaming it instead to Illegal fishing. Then, you also renamed Arrests subsections. The only thing I guess you have a point is the Anti-Chinese sentiments stuff. Yes, it still contains biased statements. Yet, it can’t be avoided since it discusses FILIPINO FEELINGS AGAINST CHINESE POACHING ACITIVITY. The only thing that can neutralize the subsection is to include the rebuttals of the Chinese side. I’m currently working on it.

Please put much effort in editing the content than the editing title sections, the page title and adding inappropriate templates. Cite valid references too. Also, please find CONSENSUS. I give you my sincerest apology for having to PM you like this, it just that I can’t take it any longer. I may not be a member of the Tambayan Philippines, but I have already established quite a good reputation in editing Wikipedia. Almost no other people tried to go against my edits until you had. I hope we can settle this thing immediately.

--Estarapapax (talk) 21:49, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Tagalog Wikipedia

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[edit] Sakizaya people

Hi i have reviewed this article. Its nomination is on hold, feel free to make the advised corrections in order for it to reach GA statues. Realist2 (talk) 02:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)