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Dont copy paste texts of that size.Dont spam and keep racist views to yourself.Greeks are not Slavs among other things.Megistias (talk) 21:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Albanians the real Greek and successor of Pelasgians

Pelasgians are an ancient people of Greece dwelling in Peloponesus in the edge of Macedonia, of whom the generall Græcians sometimes have usurpt that name Ref 1609 T. HEYWOOD Troia Britanica XIII. 357

Pe lasgianist n. rare a student of the Pelasgian language; an advocate of Pelasgian as a link in the development of other languages. Oxford English Dictionary 2007 Albanian language as mother of other Europian languages see references ……

Meiners explains that the Greeks, although originally Slavons, ‘later became blended with colonies of a nobler race’, that is, the Pelasgi 1992 Hist. & Theory 31 88

The ancient belief that the Greek language was autochthonous cannot be accepted; Indo-European speakers must have reached Greece from elsewhere, though the language may have acquired its main characteristics in Greece itself Greek Language A Dictionary of World History. Oxford University Press, 2000. Oxford Reference Online. Oxford University Press. 2007

The L. Græc is ad. Gr. , said by Aristotle (Meteor. I. xiv) to have been the prehistoric name of the Hellenes in their original seats in Epirus. The word is app. an adjectival derivative of Graius, which is used in Latin as a poetical synonym of Græcus. Recent scholars think the name may have been brought to Italy by colonists from Eub a, where there is some evidence of its having existed: see Busolt Gr. Gesch. I.2 198. reference from Oxford English Dictionary 2007 , Catholic Encyclopedia …Conclusion their name cames from the contested Epir.

A language attributed to this people ( Pelasgians ) , proposed by some as a link in the development of other languages, and now identified by many as an Indo-European language. "Pelasgians" The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Archaeology. Timothy Darvill. Oxford University Press, 2002. Oxford Reference Online. Oxford University Press.

Presumed ancient Greek writing linear B were translated with help of Albanian language Νίκο Στύλο Nermin Vlora Mathia Aref Robert d”Angely references By linguistic Albanian language is indicated as oldest living indo- European language The law formulated in 1892 by J. Wackernagel, according to which unstressed parts of the sentence tend to occupy a position after the first stressed word normally situated at the beginning of a sentence qualifies Albanian as the oldest living Indo European language

Athens was only citadel of Mycenaean time to survive in Hellenistic period and the claim Pelasgian ancestry "Pelasgians" The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Archaeology Greek was not identified with any of the dialects, but by the early 3rd cent. the Athenians were reproached for behaving as if Greek and Attic were the same thing (Posidippus, fr. 30 R. Kassel and C. Austin)


It is to be assumed that the Macedonian dialect (or language) succumbed to Attic Greek..during the Hellenistic Age. 1972 W. B. LOCKWOOD


Alexander the great is referred to have exile temporary in Illyria with his mother Olympia indicating the Epirus as part of Illyrians tribes. "Philip II" Oxford Dictionary of the Classical World. Ed. John Roberts. Oxford University Press, 2007. Oxford Reference

Languages for which Illyrian origin is claimed or disputed are Venetic and Messapian in ancient Italy, Macedonian, and Albanian. Macedonian, that is, the native speech of the Macedonians as distinguished from the Attic which they came to adopt as their official language1933 C. D. BUCK Compar. Gram. Greek & Latin

Pyrrhus (2) of Epirus (319–272 BC), most famous of the Molossian kings, chief architect of a large, powerful, and Hellenized Epirote state (see hellenism), and builder of the great theatre at Dodona. Early in his reign he annexed southern Illyria. He tried to emancipate Epirus from Macedon. "Pyrrhus(2) " Oxford Dictionary of the Classical World. Ed. John Roberts. Oxford University Press, 2007. Oxford Reference Online. Oxford University Press.


Hellenized to learn speak Greek World. Ed. John Roberts. Oxford University Press, 2007. term used for Epiriotes which were partly Hellenized and annexed southern Illyria, Hellenized Epirote state but tried to emancipate Epirus from Macedon mention. "Pyrrhus(2) " Oxford Dictionary of the Classical World. Ed. John Roberts. Oxford University Press, 2007 by Plutarchus was described in his manuscript of Parallel Life as they speak a different language and the Greek language was learned; Macedonian and Epiriotes spoke the same language.

In race, as in geographical position, the Thessalians held an intermediate place between the non-Hellenic Macedonians and the Greeks of pure blood 1888 Encycl. Brit. XXIII. 299/2

His father Philip appears to have established Macedonian hegemony over Greece through League of Corinth The army of Alexander the great were Thracians , Illryrians and the hoplites of Corinthian Legue "Alexander(2) " Oxford Dictionary of the Classical World. Ed. John Roberts. Oxford University Press, 2007 Polybius, 2. pp.65–9. Stephen Nutt "Sellasia, battle of" The Oxford Companion to Military History. Ed. Richard Holmes. Oxford University Press, 2001

It seems likely that Philip II instituted regular training in all branches of his Macedonian army, and when Alexander (2) the Great succeeded, he was able to put on an impressive display for the Illyrians Oxford Dictionary of the Classical World. Ed. John Roberts. Oxford University Press, 2007

Macedonian phalanx was not only uniformly thicker but projected a good deal farther ahead than its Greek counterparts. 1989 R. L. O'CONNELL Arms & Men iv. 61

Occupied territory was split between Macedonian royal families "Macedonia" Oxford Dictionary of the Classical World. Ed. John Roberts. Oxford University Press, 2007

Albania and Albanians which is a new name were identify not wrongly with Epiriotes from 1000 AD [Despotate of Epirus] , Gjergj Kastrioti Princ of Epirus and Ali Pashe kingdom 1744-1822 who was prescribed by british poet Bajron in his poem Childe Harold % "Albania" A Dictionary of World History. Oxford University Press, 2000. Oxford Reference Online. Oxford University

The slave population of Attica and Laconia were replaced by tribes of Epirot or Albanian peasants. 1844 G. FINLAY Greece under Romans iv. 411 Carians, Paionians, Epirots, and Macedonians. Ibid. 435

The language of this people (the descendant of Ancient Illyrian). Oxford English Dictionary 2007

It would not be easy to draw any line of demarcation at this early time between the Illyrians and their neighbours on the west, south, and east 1880 Encycl. Brit. XII. 709/1

The Albanians are in part the descendants of the old Illyrians and are noteworthy for the preservation of many archaic customs and of a primitive form of Aryan language. 1935 HUXLEY & HADDON We Europeans vii. 213

Indeed Albanian, which is supposed to be derived from ancient Illyrian, must be one of the most difficult of European languages to learn 1958 P. KEMP No Colours or Crest v. 76

Arvanitia was synonym of Albainia called by Greeks (Arvanites ) , Arvanites came partly from Epirus spoke a form of Albanian language and consider themselves as real Greek. Oxford English Dictionary 2007


Freed from Turkish prohibition,..the cult of the national language became almost a religion to the Albanians. Ref 1920 Contemp. Rev. Aug. 210

The long-forbidden Albanian language was printed 1920 in Contemp. Rev. Aug. 210

The extend of Albanians or Albanian speaking geographically are exact in this territories see maps of Albanian population and territories were Albania is spoken. .Proper map needed. [1]


Conclusions

1. Albanin Epriotes Macedonian Illyrians shared the same ancestry which is Pelasgian. Albanians not by mistake were consider Epiriotes and their language Epirotic in Middle age. 2. There was not sharp demarcation between Illyrians tribes of the south.. 3. Not all the Greek were consider autochthones but only Athenians and their language was similar and acceptable from other Pelasgians tribes as Epiriotes and Macedonians although this language was learned by them and not their natural language. 4. Albanian language is consider the oldest living indo-European language and Pelasgians language now is consider as such , the Albanian language is based for other European languages. The ancient Greek writing ( Pelasgic linear B) can properly translated with living Albanian language I am a stranger, and this is Greek to me. 1840 DICKENS Barn. Rudge

Lately I am enclosing a wikipedia talk page conversation between two experienced editors and administrator and I will leave you to comment in the issue:

Arvanitic Inscriptions From an "old friend" I presume: Thanks for your comments. No doubt I should be more patient with idiots who add nonsense to articles which I put a lot of time into writing, but Deucalion's childish and heavy-handed sarcasm does particularly annoy me. I have often found this tactic to be the first resort of fools at Wikipedia and I have little patience with it. Nevertheless, I will let things rest for a while as you suggest. I see that Dr. Carr has introduced you to me. Funny how he still assumes that I am a "fool" and an "idiot" when social reality dictates that I am unconventionally conventional and conventionally unconventional (try saying that five times fast) when it comes to how I think. Of course, he still fails to understand that sarcasm is an essential part of the Greek social mentality. Oh well. His loss, not mine. Anyway, you left a message stating that you wanted the information pertaining to the Greek Arvanitic inscriptions to be placed in the article as a fringe view (I smell a Galilean dilemma brewing). It is alright with me if you want to do such a thing. However, even if the inscriptions on the wine-pitcher and the chrism are understood as an archaic form of Greek, then the next step should be to somehow contact the person who originally interpreted the inscriptions to being proto-Arvanitic (or just Arvanitic) so as to acquire a better understanding as to the validity of the interpretation. If you have time, why don't you try and contact the person who stated that the inscriptions on the artifacts were proto-Arvanitic and send the person your analysis of the inscriptions (I must say, good job translating the inscriptions). If not, then I understand. Oh, and I did not fall into this particular "pseudo-science" trap. Trust me, I understand the dynamics of propaganda (even the dynamics of so-called "objectivity" when even outright biases are correct in certain situations). So, in a sense I sort of believed that the inscriptions could be proto-Arvanitic, but I consistently emphasized the importance of confirming the validity of the artifacts and what they bear (check the discussion page if you don't believe me). Contact me whenever you get the chance (send my regards to Dr. Carr and tell him that Greek history is more than just geography). Over and out. - Deucalionite 2/17/06 5:46 P.M. EST Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:LukasPietsch/Archive_1"

Outdated,racist,irrelevant texts,misquoted texts...they have been answered a thousand times..Its utterly worthless.Megistias (talk) 21:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

the references are from all the period ,the main source is British Encyclopedia and much recently , you are in fact as i can see you are very extrem nationalist and unreasonable.What you context is every one sourced.You will not change our history is anywhere

Many are from 1800 to 1970.The ancient texts are irrelevant as your laughable conclusionsMegistias (talk) 21:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
only an uncivilizeses one can behave like you  !
They are mostly irrelevant and unrelated and you are a sockpuppetMegistias (talk) 21:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
what ever i am , you must show respect you are very evil to one who knows you well and very uncivilizeses!

[edit] Dont spam

Dont spam pagesMegistias (talk) 21:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] January 2008

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[edit] February 2008

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[edit] March 2008

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[edit] March 2008

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[edit] Dodona

You are back i see dodona.Megistias (talk) 11:32, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I am and i will be always , are you in pay roll bw , you were absent during the your national strike, now you understand the difference beetwen you and me . PS And if you delete everything about Albanian conection with Pelasgians ,Macedonians,Epirote evrything is coming out and some like you will be useless
You are sockpuppeting i suggest you stop.Megistias (talk) 11:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

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