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[edit] Commentary in article History of the Arab-Israeli conflict‎

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I think you might find what you're looking for in the British Mandate of Palestine article.--Doron 16:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline of Military Operations in the 2006 Lebanon War

I have undone your changes to this article because I felt that adding the same sentence repeatedly to the start of daily sub-sections was disruptive and violated the Wikipedia policy on articles having a neutral point of view. Other changes that you made would need to have proper references. I realize that this is a contentious subject where feelings run high on both sides, but you would be best advised to discuss future changes on the article's talk page first so that a consensus on whether/how to improve the article can be reached. Best wishes, Bencherlite 11:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
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Your undoing is biased unless you can show daily where it documents the hundreds of rockets that landed in the civilian areas of northern Israel. Almost all days staret with what Israel did. Some days show nothing about what happened to Israel at all. You are only showing one side of the story. My conclusion is that you are anti-semetic, pro-muslim, only telling it through the poor Lebanese eyes. the store will be re-edited until it reflects both points of view. Just because Israeli's are smart enough to take cover in their bunkers doe snot mean hundreds of rockets were not being fired daily into Israel. Cover this too.213.219.16.20 12:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Please read the policy on no personal attacks. If you use allegations of anti-semetism as easily as this, you could find yourself being banned in future for not being civil. I take no side in the conflict. I have not edited any other pages relating to Israel/Palestine issues. My concern is with the quality of the article. I will not re-undo your changes, but I will try and find a neutral place to list that page for discussion, so that editors more experienced than me (and perhaps more experienced than you also) can address your concerns and express their opinions. You may also care to discuss your concerns with others too, and find references to support your changes wherever possible. Best wishes, Bencherlite 12:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)



There is a barrage of events not covered by this article in the main article on the conflict. It was you who said that I was POV pushing. My only conclusion is that you are anti-semetic, why else would you ignore the hundreds of rockets fired into Israel every day at civilians. This is fact that must be included if this is a source of fact. In this article, if all the parts about what Israel did to Lebanon are removed then there is very little left. It is very one-sided. The reference to the handreds of missiles launched into Israel cannot be removed where this article is still considered unbiased. Possibly you should be more motivated to reaching the truth than ignoring the daily attacks on Israel that took place during the war not included in this article.213.219.16.20 12:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Asking for references for unsupported comments and suggesting that repeatedly (20 times) inserting the same sentence pushes a point of view does not mean that I am anti-semetic. I would have done the same had the changes in question been unreferenced comments about attacks by Israel rather than attacks on Israel. I am not "ignoring" rockets but asking for changes to the article to be done properly in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines, preferably in a civil manner. Feel free to review my 4,000+ contributions to Wikipedia and find any that are "genuinely" anti-semetic. Bencherlite 12:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)



Very well Bencherlite, I appologise for the outburst. I agree that it should be better edited. Indiscriminant rocket fire occurred every day, and since this is a timeline it must be included every day. Please suggest a way forward.213.219.16.20 13:28, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Apology accepted. I've already dropped a line to User:Doron (because s/he had been in touch with you before about a related page, so they may know something about this one) and User:El C (an administrator who wrote the first version of the article) to see what they would suggest, or where they would suggest taking the matter forward for further discussion. You could discuss the issue on the talk page and see what people suggest. Also, see if you can find any other sources and check to see if the existing sources have more material in them that you can use to improve the article. In any case, enjoy your time on Wikipedia! You may want to get an account. Excuse the use of a standard welcome message below (the "welcomeIP" message), but it saves on typing! (I'm not having a go at you, I promise). If there's anything I can do you to help with anything else on Wikipedia, please let me know. Best wishes, Bencherlite 13:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


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2006 Lebanon War may have some more useful information / sources too. Bencherlite 13:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 Lebanon War

Hello. Before making potentially controversial edits, such as those you made to 2006 Lebanon War, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. Otherwise, people might consider your edits to be vandalism. Thank you. — George Saliba [talk] 17:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

No worried Saliba. Every day rockets were fired. As this is a daily timeline, the edits must be in, they are fact. There is no doubt about the rockets being fired. To exclude them means this article is only about the what Israel did, eg Patriot lauchers were delopyed.... but nothing about why. It does not say why so, it does not make sence. There is nothing controversial about it, it's simple fact. Even the wiki on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict_%28late_August%29 talks about the rockets, so it's just a case of correcting this article and that is not controversial.213.219.16.20 09:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Repetitive edit

I have removed the repetitive entry from every single day; however I see that I am not the first, nor I suspect the last to do this.

My objection is not the fact that the daily (I will accept as a matter of good faith that it was in fact daily) use of rocketry is being noted but the way of its inclusion. Some days, for instance July 28, already have a record of the rocketry included in the narrative; by giving details and even citation for that days rocketry the entry for the day has considerably more believability. --Drappel 17:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

No worried Drappel. Every day rockets were fired. As this is a daily timeline, the edits must be in, they are fact. There is no doubt about the rockets being fired. To exclude them means this article is only about the what Israel did, eg Patriot lauchers were delopyed.... but nothing about why. It does not say why so, it does not make sence. There is nothing controversial about it, it's simple fact. Even the wiki on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict_%28late_August%29 talks about the rockets, so it's just a case of correcting this article and that is not controversial.213.219.16.20 09:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)