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Hi - good evening :-)

Can I put in a plea for no commentary or use of the 1st person in article edits. Eg I, and many other humans would not exist today if it was not for the heroic efforts... Thanks --A Y Arktos\talk 10:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Applies to Goulburn too - you are wrong about the extent of the colony, I think you are referring to the boundaries of the Nineteen Counties - the limits of location. I have reverted your Goulburn edit because it was wrong and commentary--A Y Arktos\talk 10:57, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

At Goulburn you said:

Whomever put the above here needs to note that the colony of NSW only went as far south as Bowning till 1838. Post the Faithfull Massacre the Colony of NSW was then extended through to Melbourne with new 'districts' being declared. Port Phillip District came to the south bank of the Murrumbidgee and north of there was the Lachlan. (So Coolac, now known as Pettits, was in the Lachlan in 1839.) Tarcuttah was in Port Phillip. I have copies of the Surveyor General/Governor's documents here somewhere re the "line of communication" (the now Hume Hwy) pushing south.

I think the limits of location and the nineteen counties should be mentioned. So too the line of communication pushing south. Do you think the push was to do with the Faithfull massacre? I think it was to do with Major Mitchell and Australia Felix plus growth of the colony.--A Y Arktos\talk 11:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

No, its documented it was the Faithful Massacre. They held off opening south of yas sup as were busy getting rid of the Indigenous people and couldnt do that if it was under UK rule. There were peopel going south after Mitchell but down there was already populuated by people from VDL anyway (to keep French out). The Aboriginal people decided to kill all the whites and war broke out so the Brits took over officially though they were always here. Four towns were established as garrison towns, Gundagai, Albury, Wangaratta and Seymour. Only a few police in each but 200+ British settlers with guns also. The opening up was a military exercise by the Surveyor Generals Dept (who were all army officers) and the whole operation is couched in military terms. The French and Americans alsmost took southern Oz in this era. There was a lot of piracy and smuggling happening down this way. The McArthurs were at Gundagai big time.

  • No problems - sounds fair enough - now some refs to back this up. They can be books or newspaper clippings you have - I don't have to see them!  :-) Anybody has to be able to find them though if they want to follow up. --A Y Arktos\talk 11:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Try this till I can find better and get my other book back but this is a credible source too. Too late now to drag my 'line of communication' stuff out but will. Note that in this era, the 'police' were the British Army.

"The town of Albury was selected and gazetted as a result of the Faithfull massacre. Seven white overlanders were killed near Broken River as they were making their way into the newly opened pastoral district of northern Victoria in 1838. This incident demonstrated fierce Aboriginal resistance to the intrusion of whites, and alarmed many new settlers. As a result several towns such as Albury, Gundagai, Seymour and Wangaratta were founded as official protected river crossings. They were part of an overall military strategy to protect travellers and settlers from Aboriginal attack. They were roughly equidistant staging posts at which it was convenient to deploy armed forces."

The People's Voice: Australian Community History Online - Albury Available [online] http://peoplesvoice.gov.au/stories/nsw/albury/albury_c.htm

I have the Nineteen Counties stuff here somewhere, ('Major Mitchell's Map 1834: The Saga of the Nineteen Counties' Alan Andrews). I will go through it and tally it with the line of communication. Alan Andrews got very lost re some stuff though too. No one realises where Strz's first Mt Kosciusko(z not inserted) really is so they get bushed when reading old documents. I refound that hill and its 'accepted' and have spoken to Polish Federation in Oz re it also. That was a non commenting response. I believe they know too though.

You can chase up Brendan O'Keef's book as copies are in Canberra. Its: Pearson, M., O'Keefe, B. and McIntyre, M. 2002 'The Watermen of Gundagai',Published by the Gundagai 1852 Flood Commoration Committee.

It includes the heritage/arch reports for Gundagai Shire Council on the proposed 'Old Gundagai Site' that they were going to curb and gutter that I sort of prevented happening as it was on top of massively significant other stuff. At that time Brendan was GSC Heritage Officer. That area is now protected thankfully.


[edit] Albury ref

  • That will do excellently :-)

Citation can be any old how but I like to use the templates as they ensure good provenance info is captured and the reference formats properly.

If you use this then I suggest you cite it as follows:

<ref name="peoplesvoicealbury">{{cite web
 | last = 
 | first = 
 | authorlink = 
 | coauthors = 
 | year = 2003
 | url = http://peoplesvoice.gov.au/stories/nsw/albury/albury_c.htm
 | title = A Brief History of Albury
 | work = Australian Community History Online
 | publisher = Commonwealth of Australia: The People's Voice project
 | accessdate = 2006-07-07
}}</ref>

which gives A Brief History of Albury. Australian Community History Online. Commonwealth of Australia: The People's Voice project (2003). Retrieved on 2006-07-07.

in a footnote - but you need to make sure the References section has been set up with 

== References ==

{{subst:footnotes}}

If you call on the same ref more than once in the article you use the tag

<ref name="peoplesvoicealbury"/>

Hope this helps; if you want to know more about refs then ask - Regards--A Y Arktos\talk 11:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm on holiday plus am typing one handed here as have a broken arm so you can edit for me.

[edit] Great south road

I am sorry that you have a broken arm. I am happy to edit when I feel confident to do so see [1].

In the meantime - if you want to work on the history of the Hume Highway, can I suggest you try this temp file I have created in my user space - User:AYArktos/temp/Great South Road - I think Great South Road sounds better than Line of communication which can be misunderstood.--A Y Arktos\talk 12:11, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

'Line of communication' is a very apt term at the beginning of the Hume Highway as it was put in for that express purpose - to form a line of communication that was safe so travellers can get to various points. These staging posts comprised of inns equi distant apart so that travellers (the army, settlers, overlanders), could get from A to B without being killed. This travelling between each staging post was a military style of progression even for new settlers who were being used by the government to populate the new lands the Britsh Government was invading. Though these terms might not sound that nice and cosy, they are what were used in the official documents for that early stage of construction of that road. The road was the 'line of communication' along which the country south of the plough mark at Bowning was invaded and opened up by the Brits.

I'll put 'line of communication' up as a quote out of one of the official letters I have here between the governor and who he was issuing orders to down this way and the gentler and immensely noble and non confronting sounding 'Great South Road' can be used to wax lyrical and gloss over initial purpose of the roads construction. Sounds like 'Roman Road' eh. It doesnt matter what you think that matters re this. Its the term that was actually used by the boss of the Colony of NSW (the governor) pre it being named the Great South Road that shows what it was referred to that matters, (that is the verifible record).

The road used to go from Goulburn to Harden to Cootamundra then come back to where Tom Wills was born then go over the river there. Here was out of bounds. Then they pushed it through nearer to here as part of that military operation. Mitchell crossed back over the Murrumbidgee 10 miles south of here on his way back to Sydney, but he didnt come into town. He went along the hills just to the west of Gundagai. Stapleton on his way back north a few weeks after Mitchell, did come into town and stayed here for ages, surveying. They were silly to put the road through here (the town) in about 1860 as it goes over a massive caldera so the trucks make everything move when they hit it in convoy during the night. I live on top of that major but hidden, fault line. Its going to end up the seismics will get disturbed and blow - again. (No volcano here - thats a myth.)


"38/6200 -19th June 1838 Immediate

                              Sites for Inns on Land to Port Phillip
                               Said Before the Executive Council
                                15th March 1839 Minute No 39/6-C-2
                                                            WMP
                                               Surveyor General
                                           No 38/248 18 June 1838


Sir,

In acknowledging the receipt of your letter of the 13 instant No 38/322, informing me that the Government being desirous of seeing houses of entertainment established on the line of communication between Yass and Port Phillip, ...

I have the Honourable Sir Your Servant N Perry DepSurveyor" _______________________________________________


"Surveyor General 12/6/1838 38/6200

M4284 - 4th June 1838 3rd June 1838 Inform the Ass't Military Secretary that in consequence of the late outrages committed by the Aboriginal Natives on the road from Yass to Melbourne, and the facility which is afforded to the escape of convicts by the opening of th enew country and the recent expeditions with stock to Southern Australia, His Excellency the Governor deems it necessary for the protection of the Colonists frequenting that route and to provide for the apprehension of runaways, of two or perhaps three parties of mounted Police to be placed at convenient stations to be hereafter fixed, on the route in question. ... etc "