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Contents 1 Sochi wins the games 2 Officially opened by ... 3 Winner's olympic bid logo vs. Official 2014 Winter Olympics logo 4 Russia and Soviet Union 5 Proximity to international border 6 No advertisement please 7 Subtropics issue 8 Fair use rationale for Image:Lg2014sz.gif

[edit] Sochi wins the games

the bbc is reporting on [1] that Sochi will host the olympics in 2014 heresthecasey | talk 23:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Now that this is all over, I suggest that the vast majority of this page be moved to 2014 Winter Olympics bids. Maybe we can work to make that article featured, much as 2012 Summer Olympics bids is. We have the content, and this page looks great, it's just that now, this page needs to focus less on the bid and the process of the bid, and more on Sochi's preparations.

And on a different note, is the city pronounced "Sah-shee", "Sah-chee", or is the first syllable "Soh"? I have no clue. _└^Jared_┘^┌_t^┐  23:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the move... but now? Is there enough information to leave on this article? I mean, the 7-year waiting period has just started. But if you find it enough, go ahead. And it's pronounced "Saw-tchee". Parutakupiu ^{talk || contribs} 00:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

No, don't do it now. We have 7 years, like you said! Haha. But keep it in the back of your minds that this page if not about the bid process, but about the games as a whole (which includes some mention of that process). So sometime between now and February 7, 2014, I suggest that this move be done. Also, if you see the WP:OLYMPICS homepage (?), you'll see I updated the countdown. Only 2300-some-odd days left to Sochi 2014! _└^Jared_┘^┌_t^┐  00:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you did well, I didn't even remember the countdown bar *blush* Parutakupiu ^{talk || contribs} 00:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Officially opened by ...

It's pretty crystal ballish to say the games were officially opened by anyone considering the games won't happen for another 7 years. It's the same as saying the 2012 London Games will be opened by the Queen. They may very well be opened by the Queen ... or they may be opened by the King by that point in time. 68.146.8.46 01:49, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

• Well we can still assume that Russia will still have a president in seven years. I am not considering that saying that is crystal balling. Hektor 12:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Winner's olympic bid logo vs. Official 2014 Winter Olympics logo

No doubt we don't have the Official 2014 Winter Olympics logo yet. And I don't think we should use one of Sochi bid (with "candidate city" words) for that purpose. This misleads. (See, for instance, logo for Vancouver 2010 bid and the Official 2010 Winter Olympics logo. They are not even similar.)

• That's your opinion. So far we have used the winning bid logo till the official Games logo is unveiled for all previous Games (Vancouver, London, etc.). And I think this is perfectly fine that way. Hektor 19:01, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Hektor, thank your for your reply on the topic. I agree we should have the winner's bid logo displayed here until the official Games logo is unveiled. But let's make it clear and don't give Sochi 2014 bid logo another (inappropriate and misleading) "Official 2014 Winter Olympics logo" name. This will make any reader understand what the logo exactly is, to avoid confusion regarding Sochi 2014 bid logo and yet to be unveiled Official 2014 Winter Olympics logo. Any comments are welcome!

[edit] Russia and Soviet Union

I disagree with the sentence "This will be Russia's first time hosting the Olympics. ".

• First, from a purely legalistic, Olympic Charter, standpoint, the Olympic Games are hosted by a city and not by a country.
• Second, at the time of the Soviet Union, Russia was not a non-existing entity, it was one of the Republics of the USSR. Hektor 05:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proximity to international border

Is it relevant to mention the extreme proximity of the coastal cluster to the border with Georgia/Abkhazia? (On an original research note, this appears to be the closest an Olympic stadium has ever been to an international frontier, less than 5 km.) --Cam 05:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

If you can find sources to back up your statements, go ahead. Now, I doubt that any news agency would be commenting about how security may pose an issue due to the proximity to other nations, so I'm sure that with time sources may arise. If you believe it is important enough an issue to include, then maybe just suggest with a source that there has been conflict (major or minor) at that border; if there is actually no problems on the border, then just forget it, at least until an Olympic-context source comes available. _└^Jared_┘^┌_t^┐  20:42, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

There is, indeed, a problem in Abkhazia. The short version is that the region broke away from Georgia in a civil war in the 90s, hosts troops that are nominally CIS peacekeepers but allegedly really just Russian army forces, and is still in a tense standoff with the Georgian government. Fighting could yet resume, potentially during the Olympics. So, yes, it would be appropriate to say something about Sochi's proximity to Abkhazia, but only if we can find a good source for it (a regional expert's quote or something). Fasrad 10:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the insight. Now that I understand, I would agree that it's a good thing to put up on the page, as long as, yes, there is a good source. _└^Jared_┘^┌_t^┐  15:38, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No advertisement please

I am sure many of us appreciate efforts of any companies busy designing and constructing for the Olympics, but this article is not a place for advertisement of any kind. Please avoid placing such information in the article. Svmich 09:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Subtropics issue

Let's make it clear: Torino (Turin) can't be considered a subtropical city (see Torino Climate). Sochi is the first city in subtropics to host Winter Olympics.

Svmich (talk) 19:00, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure, if you look at the page on subtropical climate, Torino is definitely in the shaded region, as are the Japanese Olympic Locations. TJ 24 01 08

You are wrong, Torino is a Cfa climate just like the rest of the Po Valley, and Sochi, see Köppen_climate_classification. You can verify this either here: http://www.worldclimate.com/cgi-bin/grid.pl?gr=N45E007 or here: http://www.civenv.unimelb.edu.au/~mpeel/koppen.html station 16059 for Torino, 37099 for Sochi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.39.46 (talk) 04:25, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Subtropical means BOTH the coldest month >0C average and the warmest month >22C average, with significant warm season precipitation. Torino is (barely) humid subtropical as the July average there is 22C and there is sufficient year round precipitation.

Climates of other Winter Olympic cities:

• 2010 Vancouver - Cfb (mid-latitude oceanic)
• 2006 Torino - Cfa (humid subtropical)
• 2002 Salt Lake City - BSk (semi-arid steppe)
• 1998 Nagano - Dfa (humid continental, hot summers)
• 1994 Lillehammer - Dfb (humid continental, warm summers)
• 1992 Albertville - Dfb
• 1988 Calgary - BSk
• 1984 Sarajevo - Cfb
• 1980 Lake Placid - Dfb
• 1976 Innsbruck - Dfb
• 1972 Sapporo - Dfa
• 1968 Grenoble - Cfb
• 1964 Innsbruck - Dfb
• 1960 Squaw Valley - Dsb (high-altitude Mediterranean)
• 1956 Cortina d'Ampezzo - Dsa
• 1952 Oslo - Dfb
• 1948 St. Moritz - Dsb
• 1936 Garmisch-Partenkirchen - Dfb
• 1932 Lake Placid - Dfb
• 1928 St. Moritz - Dsb
• 1924 Chamonix - Dfb

CrazyC83 (talk) 03:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Lg2014sz.gif

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