Talk:2007–2008 Israel-Gaza conflict

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[edit] 0.5 killed?

Whats up with that? Have the Israelies discovered a way to sepearate their soldiers so that they can increase their numbers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.17.198 (talk) 11:49, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] forced

NPOV anyone? Oh, I forget, this is about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, where all pages should have a permanent {{NPOV}} tag!--Cerejota 01:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{Arab-Israeli Conflict}}

I removed {{Arab-Israeli Conflict}} but it should be there. However the other nav template won't play nicely for unknown reasons (I tried a bunch of stuff!!!). If someone can take a look at that other template and fix it it would rule!--Cerejota 01:43, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Map for this article

I believe there should be a map for this article. I may try to make one, but if I don't happen to someone might want to do it. Hello32020 19:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

done quickly :) --TheFEARgod (Ч) 20:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Still, 95 % of fighting occurs in Gaza, like in the 2006 Israel-Gaza conflict. I suggest returning the previous name.

Also - not all Palestinians are fighting, like Fatah for example --TheFEARgod (Ч) 00:26, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, the name of the entire broad conflict is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and of course not all Palestinians have fought in any war with Israel. Also, the arrests in the West Bank have totaled around what the total kills in Gaza have been. Hello32020 02:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Are media and other independent sources saying that the operations in the Gaza Strip are part of the same conflict as those in the West Bank? TewfikTalk 04:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

That is a great question. If we don't find that then we are in deep WP:OR crapola! I really don't care otherwise, its all the same killing and dying, just a different year.--Cerejota 09:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
When the arrests were made, they were put in the same article as the fighting in Gaza, in the Reuters article seen here. [1] The shootout south of Jerusalem was also put into the same article. 2007 Israel-Hamas conflict might be a better name, but then you have to address why Islamic Jihad and Popular Resistance Committees aren't in the title. Hello32020 11:47, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I bet then that other Gaza-Israel conflicts (2004, 2006) had events in the Gaza Strip --TheFEARgod (Ч) 14:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Putting them in the same article doesn't necessarily mean they think that there is a connection greater than the overarching Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Try to find a few mainstream news sources that consistently relate the two as part of one campaign, otherwise Cerejota's conclusion is probably very true. Either way, I support returning to the previous name per TheFEARgod's logic. Cheers, TewfikTalk 04:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Are there any sources saying this is a conflict between Israel and a sub-set of the Palestinians? There has been mentions of Fatah not fighting now, and Ftah has a hell of a lot of Palestinians as followers. Might point is that if this Fatah non-involvement is sourced then a better title might be 2007 Israeli-Palestinian factions conflict... If not such difference is made, then the title as of today holds: Hamas controls the PNA and hence are "official" Palestinians from the perspective of State-State conflict.--Cerejota 06:29, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I want to see it back to Israel-Gaza conflict as it's name is geographic, not featuring combatants. And 99% fighting is in or around Gaza. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 22:47, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I again want to make clear that I agree with you. The information about the West Bank should probably be moved to the "2007" entry, which I think works with Cerejota's suggestion. Someone should get WP:Bold... TewfikTalk 21:04, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

  • I'm currently in the process of performing some tidying. I'm not too sure about the following:

    The airstrikes may have been chosen because Hamas has very little AA weapons to defend themselves ...

    I'm assuming that AA is an acronym for 'Anti-Air', but I'm not quite sure. No prior references are made in the article, and as far as I know, it isn't common knowledge to the average reader. We should probably reword and hotlink to the appropriate article, but I may be wrong about the intended meaning, so I'll leave it for the original author to sort out. Cheers. -Etafly 13:35, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm noticing some subtle POV issues, as well as some attribution issues (the two are related in this case). I've encountered several instances of "Israel says" and "Palestinians say" -- Unfortunately Israel doesn't talk, so specificity is required. Palestinians are capable of talking, but again, specificity is key. I'm also noticing a slight POV in this area -- namely, a skepticism in the wording; if at all possible, I'd like to stick to established facts -- if 'Palestinian medics' make a statement that's worth including in the article, then it should be included with a citation, rather than an ethnic/political qualifier. I believe I was successful in NPOVing the Prelude section, at the very least. -Etafly 14:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Again, regarding POV, when describing Palestinian casualties, please refrain from quantifiers such as "a few", as it's highly POV (it downplays their significance.) -Etafly 18:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

I think than rather than a full merge, we could move all timelines from both into Timeline of the 2007 Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and redirect 'Violence here. I think this is better for size and quality reasons. This is done in a bazillion other articles.--Cerejota 06:29, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

agree, go ahead. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 10:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Please note the existence of several articles in a "series":
Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict: 2000 - 2001 - 2002 - 2003 - 2004 - 2005 - 2006 - 2007 - 2008
I have no strong opinion on how to deal with them, other than that they should be dealt with together (and, preferably, not deleted). --Eliyak T·C 00:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Back to the old question - do RS talk about a "2007 Israeli-Palestinian conflict", or just the "Israeli-Palestinian conflict" in 2007? If the latter, then we may as well conduct a full merge. TewfikTalk 04:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Disagree, this is and has been direct conflict between these two hating sides, west bank and israel have their problems, but gaza and israel, wow, it's totally out of line...
  • I agree with the opposition, but I think the incidents covered in this Article should also be in the Standard Israeli-Palestianian conflict series and vica versa. Ideally, the more general series would note violence in Gaza vs. violence in the West Bank. It would be nice if Wiki had an underlying database, all these timelines could just be Views of an underlying data structure. This would be similar to the Iraqi Bodycount Web site.ITBlair (talk) 15:59, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I see the following Wiki Articles dealing with Israel-Gaza conflict separately. I added them into the See Also section. We could build them into a a related series of articles.

We should consider integrating these articles a little bit better and probably also X-ref to the Second Intafada articles and Hamas articles. Also, we are missing a 2005 Israel-Gaza conflict article. Finally, we might want to take the 2008 portions of this article and put them in the 2008 article (i.e., this article should be the 2007 Israel-Gaza conflict). ITBlair (talk) 05:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Naming

The name "Israel-Gaza" conflict confuses me. Israel is a nation-state and Gaza is a geographical / subnational entity. I have the same issue with 2004 Israel-Gaza conflict and 2006 Israel-Gaza conflict. I'm not sure exactly what the best alternative is. Actually, the difficulty of naming might be because these articles are more like sections of an ongoing timeline than articles about specific well-defined incidents. Any thoughts? Eleland 21:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm open for proposals :) --TheFEARgod (Ч) 13:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] table of contents

The table of contents is very unwieldy. I suggest having only the months in the table of contents, not each date separately. The entries are so short that no one should have trouble finding the date for which they are looking. Hraesvelgr (talk) 18:57, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2008 conflict

Now that there's an article about the 2008 Israel-Gaza conflict, perhaps the 2008 sections could merged into that one, and this one moved to "2007 Israel-Gaza conflict"? Nudve (talk) 05:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)