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[edit] Medal count

The medal count on this page is based on the total number of medals. The IOC follows a different procedure: the number of gold medals is most important and if that's equal, they look at silver and bronze. Does somebody object if I change it?
IOC-link: [1] (a subpage of [2])
(Also, some numbers are wrong.) 80.126.123.127 13:32, 30 Aug 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Population figures

I've removed the pseudo-statistical pop. vs medal count info. It is completely irrelevant, inaccurate and meaningless. Mintguy (T)

This has been added back again (with revised figures I note). This data is completely flawed. The criteria for gathering population statistics varies widely from country to country. The figure given by the UN is merely an estimate, for example India held their census in March of 2001 they came out with a figure of 1,027,015,247 persons. This was a rise of over 100 million people since the previous census. This was not because the population had actually increased by 100 million, but because they picked up a lot of people that had been missed in previous census. The data is therefore inaccurate and trying to use this as the basic for further statistical comparisons is flawed. hi. The criteria for selection of athletes also varies widely, this includes, for example people from the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man who can compete for Team Great Britain, but their populations are not included the population of the United Kingdom. I'm sure there are other similar examples. Some citizens hold dual nationality and can compete for one other nation. This is true for some people living in Northern Ireland for example. Also many people living in Britain (or indeed any other country) are not allowed to compete for that nation for various reasons. Mintguy (T) 12:51, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Please do not remove the data again. If you think that other people should not see it then perhaps the best thing to do is bring it up at Wikipedia:Requests for comment.
Bobblewik  (talk) 17:31, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Please discuss the rationale for including this data. I doubt that such analysis can be found accompanying any other table of medals and the basis of the analysis is flawed. Mintguy (T) 18:11, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The population of a country is completely irrelevant to the medal count. Many of the medals, which will only count as one, on the medals table will have in fact been awarded to a larger number of people. For instance in gymnastics awards are given to the teams that come first second and third overall. In athletics, individuals are awarded medals for their participation in relay races, but this only counts as one medal. In all of the teams sports in the games a nation may receive only one medal even though there may be many people who actually contribute to that award. In the olympic football competition for example a football squad will usually consist of 23 competitors. Placing the population of a country next to the medal table is about as usful as placing the area of a country. It is totally misleading and flawed to try to work out the medals per number of population. you might as well try to work out medal per square mile. Mintguy (T) 19:28, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Please do not remove the data again. Your contribution on this topic at Talk:2004 Summer Olympics medal count makes it clear that you are aware of the interest in this information and disagree with it. However, instead of reverting the article, please allow others to look at it and express their own opinions. If you think that other people should not see it then perhaps the best thing to do is bring it up at Wikipedia:Requests for comment.
Bobblewik  (talk) 20:20, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
You are obviously mis-reading the comment by Docu on that Page. He is not talking about the population of a country. He says - "I think it may be interesting to see the number of athletes participating per country" The format that has been agreed for the 2004 medal list is to not include this bogus statistic. There is absolutely no reason to include it here. Mintguy (T) 21:55, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
That data, although interesting is not germane on a list that is limited only to medal count. Please find another forum, perhaps, 2004 Summer Olympics participation count for such information. Other items to think about including: annual gross domestic product GDP, domestic Olympic committee budget, country gross GNP, country population (with % of world population). I believe this is a full-fledged article of its own -- and does not need to be piggy-backed upon the smaller medals table. Davodd 00:44, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)

The following was copied to here by User:Mintguy, because I think it is pertinent to this discussion.

The inclusion of this type of information is interesting but incomplete. Does it reflect athlete primary nationality? (for example, many U.S.-born or naturalized U.S. citizens or legal U.S. residents were athletes for other countries this year. Do they count as U.S. winners or not?) Does it include domestic annual budget of individual countries Olympic committees? Also - the total U.S. population used in the census includes possessions - which compete as individual countries in the Olympics. Is that reflected? If not, there should be a major disclaimer stating such. Davodd 01:24, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] How about this for a solution

I also think that the medal by people, guess this means population but it doesn't make that clear, information although vaguely possibly interesting to someone should not appear on the main pages of events as it is not directly relevant to the article. As I have mentioned on previous talk pages mentioning the subject I feel it about as relevant to the main article as a comparison of success in sport based on pet ownership (gold fish, dog, cat etc) or such like. If it is felt that the info. warrants an rtcl then a detailed article such as Sports Success by Population or Relative Sporting Achievements by Population should be written to include all data and accompanying commentary explaining the comings and goings of sporting success through the years ie; Eastern Bloc doping, emergence of african sporting success, decline of the old guard ie; great britain, influence of professionalism on sport etc. If the details were used in that way then I can see the article being of great interest and a very interesting project to work on. The time spent in these never ending discussions could have been spent writing possibly the most interesting rtcl on Wiki. But the only way that this disagreement will be solved is by arbitration I feel as repeated discussions by parties with completely differing views is getting nowhere.

[edit] External link

At the moment about two thirds of this page is taken up by medal tallies and various related statistics (medals per million population etc). Why not get rid of the third table and just have a link to http://www.simon.forsyth.net/olympics.html (the best page of that type that I have found)? Also, why do we have an abbreviated list, followed by a full list of the same thing? -- Chuq 13:30, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

At the absence of any comments, and the moving of the full tally to 2000 Summer Olympics medal count, I've gone and replaced the per capita table with a link -- Chuq 01:17, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] 3,000 million?

Last time I checked, that was 3 billion, wasn't it?--Txredcoat 02:31, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It was to me and most of the english speaking world. However some people seem to think that 3 billion is 3 000 000 000 000, so I guess the 3 000 million was used to save confusion. -- Chuq 05:09, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Originally, the American billion was 1,000,000,000, and the British billiom was 1,000,000,000,000. In Britain, 1,000,000,000 was called either 1,000 million or a milliard. Figaro 08:41, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Leave it. It avoids confustion between the Brit & U.S. billion. (The whole world doesn't use U.S. measures...) Or, say 3 milliard & confuse everybody outside France & Quebec. ;) Trekphiler 07:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Medal Count

Just letting you all know that the bronze medal count for the United States is incorrect. Listed on this article as 13 bronzes it should be 33. Andreasu 14:19, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)

How many medals are given out in the 2006 olympics, or how many will be given out?

[edit] Venues

There isn't any mention of the venues of the 2000 summer games. I found a list here: http://library.thinkquest.org/28526/venues.html Newhoggy (talk) 11:03, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Final selection

The voting process for the Olympic city is closely related to Australia's preferential voting system (the decrease in the number of votes to Manchester from Round 2 to Round 3 is an exception - that can't happen in preferential voting). There is nothing in the numbers to suggest that anything untoward happened during the bidding process. In the final Round, the 11 votes that had gone to Manchester were distributed - 8 to Sydney and 3 to Beijing. In Australian elections, it is a regular enough occurrence that one candidate may be leading all the way through thr distribution of preferences, only to be beaten at the final distribution, and therefore to lose the electorate.

Does anybody know why there was one fewer vote in Rounds 3 and 4 than in Rounds 1 and 2 (because one vote seems to have been lost along the way)? Figaro 08:54, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not Summer Olympics

This article is inaccurate, in that the Olympics were not held during the summer, but actually during spring. Secondly, the 1c and 2c coins were withdrawn in 1992, not 1994, as the article states. The switchover date and consequently rounding, was introduced January 1st, 1992, which is also when the 45c stamp was introduced. Davez621 12:41, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I've clarified both issues in the article. Most Summer Olympics do take place in August/September, often bumping into Northern fall/Southern spring. And while the usage of Summer/Winter in Olympic nomenclature is Northern Hemisphere-biased, it is far the most common method of referring to the Games. As for the coins, the source I found listed 1991 as the last year the 1- and 2-cent coins were minted; that would seem to be consistent with a withdrawal from circulation beginning in 1992. Please check my verbiage there and see if it's accurate (I'm hardly an expert in Australian numismatics). Thanks! -- Jonel | Speak 18:01, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
How northern hemisphere centric can you get Davez62?. The summer obviously refers to sports that don't require warm clothes, ski boots and bobsleds. Perhaps we could try bidding for the winter Olympics in Sydney, but I guess the lack of snow might hinder our chances!! Maroubrakid 06:14, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I think we should get rid of that reference to spring/summer. It's pointless - any idiot knows why it is called that "Summer Olympics" and the weather at the time was warmer than most northern hemisphere summers anyway. Pointless section - or, move it to the bottom - not the 2nd paragraph! --Merbabu 02:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
So it was actually held from late winter into early spring.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.75.196.71 (talk • contribs).
no - officially, winter ends and spring starts on 01 Sept in Australia. From memory (I live in Sydney) almost all those two weeks the temps were over 25 celcius, with possibly 5 hitting 30 or more. How much summer do people want?? lol --Merbabu 05:09, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
There was a conscious decision to not hold them in summer, it is difficult to compete at the level expected of olympians when it is 42°C (we all know, it's much easier when it's only 25°  ;) ).Garrie 23:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Point scoring system under medal count?

I have added a tag to the note in the "Medal count" section (after my deletion of that note was reverted). This text seems completely out of place. There are no other references elsewhere in Olympic Wikipedia pages to this system, and the text only highlights the effects on placings 8-10 in the table. Why? What's the point? Andrwsc 22:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I've whacked it. There really is no point. -- Jonel | Speak 01:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not going to make a big deal of this, but I can't see why you guys have such a problem with the note. I had planned to add similar notes to other Olympics pages if the order of the top ten medal-winning countries in a given Games would be significantly different under the point system... You ask what the point is. Well, what's the point of medal rankings at all? It's certainly not a life-or-death issue, but the current rankings are a way of Keeping Score, and the point system is arguably a much better way of doing the same thing. So, if national medal rankings deserve to exist in the first place, then noting those rankings with the best available method would seem to have a point. This method is used by many national OCs, not to mention many (probably most) books/articles/websites with Olympic stats. Ideally, the point system would be integrated into all Wikipedia Olympics medal tables, along with clickable column headers allowing the user to sort by his preferred method (number-of-Golds or Total Medals or Point System). But that's way more work than I have time to do, so I thought simple notes showing the differences between rank-by-Gold and rank-by-Points for the top ten nations for each Games would be the next best approach... I may be back to do it in the near future. If so, I'll leave a note on my intentions here and on the main Olympics Talk page first. If many others see it as you two do (which I doubt), I'll just drop it. Jim Tour 07:37, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Olympic Flame [Sydney 2000]

WHAT did you think of the cauldron that the flame was carried in?

I thought it was cool

[ Submitted 20/04/2006{Six Years since the games}]

[edit] IOA

Do we have an article on the Timorese athlete(s) who competed as Individual Olympic Athletes? I'm not seeing it in the list of nations, and both Individual Olympic Athletes at the 2000 Summer Olympics (where it probably should be) and Timor-Leste at the 2000 Summer Olympics (where I would think the most likely other place for it to be is) are red-links as of right now. -- Jonel | Speak 03:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, there is an article at International Olympic Athletes at the 2000 Summer Olympics that covers these guys (I added the link in the 2004 Timorese Olympic article). Not sure if this is an incorrect title or not. --Jfruh 03:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
It is incorrect ([3]). I have moved it. Now, to de-orphan that page. -- Jonel | Speak 04:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rating

I just rated the page as a B class, but it's far better than that. I think it could easily make a GA, if not A class, without much effort. --Iorek85 00:39, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

It would need a lot of effort as there are considerable shortcomings. --Bob 16:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Seperating the references from the external links, and providing inline citations, would be a nice start.Garrie 23:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:2000 Summer Olympics medal count

I have put {{2000 Summer Olympics medal count}} on TfD as there's really no point to having that template rather than simply having the contents on the main 2000 Games page (as Andrwsc (talk • contribs) pointed out). -- Jonel | Speak 23:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Venues

There is nothing on this page about the venues, location, costs etc. Why? --Bob 16:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Little worth to this article

Why aren't there links to the results? When someone comes to such an article, they expect to see the results of the different events, not ceaseless babble about the ceremony. Is this supposed to be an encylopedia or a "media" even akin to TV. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.144.0.66 (talk • contribs).

There are links to results. Huge amounts of results. You need to click on any of the sports in the "Sports" section and start from there. Now, the fact that you couldn't find that tells me that the navigation method may be flawed on these pages. What were you expecting? What would have helped you find those results? Andrwsc 00:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Agredd Andrwsc, and if i may be a bit bolder, i would suggest that it would have been better for the anonymous complainer to constructively suggest room for improvement instead of lazy swipes (oe, "ceaseless babble"). A lot of people put a great amount of effort into these articles, but more importantly they collaborate with a constructive positive attitude. But, if you feel your criticism is still valid, it would help first if you were polite, and second, you were specific, and (optional) third make specific suggestions or even do them yourself. That's how wikipedia works. kind regards --Merbabu 03:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Instead of 12.144.0.66 being so critical about the efforts put into this article by other people, why doesn't 12.144.0.66 do something constructive and try donating something positive and useful (and informative) to the article. It would be more appreciated by the people who have given their time and effort to make the article a worthwhile one. It is easy (and lazy) to criticise the efforts of other people without trying to help — it is more difficult to try to help out (after all, it means work). Figaro 10:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Being first

I see no mention of the first Oz Aboriginal to medal. Who was it? Trekphiler 07:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean? Cathy Freeman won a gold medal. Was she the first Australian aboriginal to win a medal? I don't think she was. --Merbabu 08:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
While Cathy Freeman was the first person in Olympic history to light the Olympic Flame and then go on to win a gold medal, I do not think that she was the first Australian aboriginal to medal. It would be interesting to know who the first Aboriginal medalist actually was, but the information would probably be rather difficult to find out about. Figaro 09:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
This is interesting:[4] Apparently it is was Nova Peris-Kneebone - in 1996. I thought it would have been much earlier than 96. NOVA PERIS-KNEEBONE
State: Northern Territory
Date of Birth: February 25, 1971
Place of Birth: Darwin, Northern Territory
Residence: Darwin, NT and Melbourne, Victoria
Height: 170cm
Weight: 58kg
Marital Status: Married, 1 child
Club: Melbourne University Athletic Club
Achievements: First Aboriginal Australian to win an Olympic gold medal, Atlanta, USA, 1996
First runner in Australian Olympic Torch Relay
Shifted from hockey to track and field --Merbabu 10:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unreferenced

This article highlights the evolution of standards here at Wikipedia. No doubt this was a pretty good article for an event in the year 2000 - but right now if this article got to be 1/4 this size without a direct mention of references it would be up for deletion as WP:OR, cites unreliable sources etc. For those contributors who are still working on this article a definate effort needs to be made to provide both sources, and inline citations as are demanded for articles to move beyond B-Class.

I came here looking for a reference to add to Sydney Opera House#Symbolism regarding the use of the opera house in the 2000 olympics logo, but there isn't one - the logo is just described. The particular description of the logo in the infobox is far too analytical to go unreferenced - it should either be sourced or simplified.

I could remove every unsourced statement and I think there would be one sentence left.

How does one go about citing the DVD "The Opening Ceremony of the 200 Olympic Games..." - the cover image is right there but a photo does not equal a citation. (I am looking into this one.)

Template:Cite video/doc Garrie 23:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

One of the inline citations was

<blockquote><ref>according to Aunty Mavis</ref>

I have removed it.Garrie 23:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

The symbol description was a close paraphrase of text from the official IOC website (see [5]). I've removed it as a copyright violation, along with other descriptions for other years similarly taken very closely from IOC text. It would be great if someone could write non-plagiarised descriptions... -- Jonel | Speak 00:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Equestrian events question

When the Olympics were held in Melbourne, the equestrian events needed to be held in Stockholm at another time of the year, due to Australian quarantine laws. But when Sydney got the games for 2000, this was not repeated. Had the laws been changed or was an exception granted in order to keep the games together? This should be referenced in the article. 23skidoo 21:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Mascots.JPG

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[edit] Telstra Stadium??

The infobox gives Telstra Stadium as the venur. However, according to that article it was not known by that name in 2000. It should be changed to the relevant name. Punkmorten 21:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Costs

Removed reference to costs in Pounds Sterling; as the money was spent in Australia and the Auditor's report was in AU$, there's no reason to have a foreign currency figure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.179.121 (talk) 12:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)