Talk:1st SS Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler

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The SS weren't just fighting units, they embodied the spirit of Nazism. Perhaps this is justified in the case of LSSAH, however to call 13.WGDdSS(kroatische) or 36.WGDdSS the embodiment of the spirit of Nazisim is pushing it. Perhaps this arguement belongs on the Waffen SS page rather than a divisional history.--Ansbachdragoner 8 July 2005 06:01 (UTC)

This became increasingly less true as the war went on. For instance, men were conscripted into the Waffen SS who were not members of the Nazi party. I don't see any reason for there not to be a separate article on the division.Larry Dunn 16:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Ardennes Offensive 2 Meaning of the list at the start of the article 3 WAR CRIMES 4 Normandy 5 Fair use rationale for Image:LSAH.jpg 6 Good 7 Fair use rationale for Image:LSAH.jpg 8 Meaning of the skeleton key 9 Place and date of surrender 10 Assessment

[edit] Ardennes Offensive

Shouldn't there be a mention of the unit's involvement in the battle of the bulge?

--216.108.206.240 04:18, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

There will be. That and the Cherkassy battles, Normandy Battles, Frülingserwachen and the final battles around Vienna. This article is a WIP at the min.--Ansbachdragoner 03:08, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning of the list at the start of the article

Can someone tell me what the list of names at the start of the article signifies? It isn't clear. Grant65 | Talk 11:59, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I believe it;s the list of formations that the Leibstandarte formed over time. However, it was clearly in the wrong place so I've moved it here for the time being. 13:06, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

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Stabswache (SA controlled)

Stoßtrupp Adolf Hitler (SA controlled)

Stabswache

SS-Stabswache Berlin

SS-Sonderkommando Zossen

SS-Sonderkommando Jüterbog

SS-Sonderkommando Berlin
Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler
Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler
Infanterie-Regiment (mot.) Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler
SS-Division (mot.) Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler
SS-Panzergrenadier-Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler
1.SS-Panzer-Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler

[edit] WAR CRIMES

One should add a POV tag to this article. What about the many war crimes committed by this unit???

-Do you have any in mind? if not, be quiet.

-I certainly agree with the first comment; this reads as an extremely sanitised history; without a great deal of looking there is the Wormhout massacre during the battle for france; the sentencing to death in absentia by the Soviets of Sepp Deitrich for war crimes in Kharkov. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.194.55.56 (talk) 07:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Normandy

This section needs a bit of a rewrite to make it more encyclopedic in tone (& needs references). Maybe I'll have a go if no-one objects? EyeSerene^TALK 20:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:LSAH.jpg

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[edit] Good

Very well made article compared to other Wikipedia articles on specific divisions in a country's armed forces. Compliments to whoever wrote this up ColombianConservative 07:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

True. But polished though. Leibstandarte took part to many famous atrocities, these being:

• Wormhout, near Dunkirk, May 1940. Leibstandarte unit led by Wilhelm Mohnke executed a bunch of surrendered British soldiers from The Royal Warwickshire Regiment, Cheshire Regiment and some soldiers of the Royal Artillery. There's a sign on the place with this info.
• LSSAH followed the Commissar order issued by Hitler in June 1941 with pride, as it was it's code to be the most loyal unit there was and also because Dietrich was a personal friend of Hitler.
• Yefremovka and Semevka, villages near Kharkov, February 1943. Leibstandarte battalion (III/2. PzGrenRgt) led by Joachim Peiper killed over 800. In Yefremovka about 250 were collected in a church, which was then burned with the rest of the village. Hence the name "The Blow-Torch Battalion".
• Boves Massacre in Italy September 1943. Again Peiper's LSSAH boys in action, this time they killed at least 64, although part of them were partisans, but rest were civilians, women, children and old people.
• Malmedy massacre, during the Battle of Bulge in December 1944-January 1945 Kampfgruppe Peiper, consisting mainly of LSSAH, killed hundreds of American POW's and Belgian civilians.

To keep the article truthful and non-biased, these should be included. --Ukas (talk) 01:09, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:LSAH.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 17:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning of the skeleton key

Correct me if I haven't read the article closely enough, but I believe no mention has been made of the reason why the Leibstandarte's divisional insignia was a skeleton key. It of course honours their leader Sepp Dietrich, since the German word for skeleton key (presumably from the name of the product's original manufacturer) is Dietrich. Nuttyskin (talk) 13:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Place and date of surrender

Anyone has this?--mrg3105mrg3105 If you're not taking any flack, you're not over the target. 10:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment

As part of the WP:MILHIST B class check, this article just stays as a B class however it needs many more inline citations. SGGH ^speak! 20:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)