Talk:1979 Atlantic hurricane season

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[edit] Elena and Frederic

You know what's weird? Elena reached tropical storm strength on August 30th at 18z. Frederic formed on August 30th at 12z! Why wasn't Frederic Elena and vice versa? Was Fred upgraded operationally after Elena or something?

Hurricanehink 16:31, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

You're right, it must have been caught later. That would have changed a lot of infamous storms...the domino effect would have been:
  • If Frederic was Elena and retired as that name, then Elena (1985) would have been some other E name, and we'd have Erika on the list right now as it is (next use 2009). Alternatively, Erika could have been the immediate replacement name, and we'd have a different name on the list right now.
  • If Elena was Frederic and the name Frederic stayed on, we would have had three more Frederics...what was Hurricane Fabian in 2003 would have been Hurricane Frederic, and likely Fabian on the 2009 list (replacing Frederic for Fred immediately wouldn't have happened).
CrazyC83 20:32, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 1979 Hurricane Name List

"The 1979 Atlantic Hurricane Season was the first season to use a full list of pre-chosen names since naming of storms began." This assertion is refuted by the existence of other lists of pre-designated names before 1979. List_of_previous_tropical_cyclone_names

[edit] 1979 Hole

This would make 1979 season article almost imageless. It would lokk pretty bad. juan andrés 04:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Yea... Not sure how to fix that. Hurricanehink 04:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry it will be a way to solve this, it will be... juan andrés 01:37, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1979 Button Bar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:1979_Atlantic_hurricane_season/_buttons

Here ya go.1978 and 1980 have it so this is 1979.It wont show for me.HurricaneCraze32 15:11, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

You're supposed to use { and } for templates, not ( or ) . Hurricanehink 15:43, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
That would answer it.HurricaneCraze32 19:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Please don't misname templates. It should be {{1979 Atlantic hurricane season buttons}}. There's no need to add an arbitrary and wrong / in there. — jdorje (talk) 20:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

What the heck does arbitrary mean? Though you messed up 1968's one.HurricaneCraze32 15:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
It means useless, and is a fairly common word. The / was not supposed to be there. Hurricanehink 16:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok.Besides-my 1933 one is becoming a pain with lack of info.I was able to get 1/3 of the way (7).Any chance you can find some info.I have tried most search engines.HurricaneCraze32 16:31, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
?? Could you repeat that again in normal English? What exactly is the problem? Hurricanehink 17:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I am having a problem with the last 14 storms of 1933 for its button bar-lack of info-could you find some.HurricaneCraze32 17:32, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
There's no need for a 1933 button bar. This site has tracking info for all 21 storms, but no information on damages/deaths. I think that is what you are looking for, though I see no real need for one. Hurricanehink 21:48, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I was right in the 1st 7 storms (2H,5TS)-Thanks for the help.HurricaneCraze32 12:15, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Exactly, putting bars and templates to seasons before 1960, its pretty useless. juan andrés 02:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Bob's New Information

I gave it some new information which was lacking a lot.HurricaneCraze32.70.18.92.122 13:13, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Is there any way to obtain images for this season and seasons previous to it, as the 1980+ season have, or is it nearly impossible? Weatherman90 02:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. We want them them, but there's nothing. The website that provided images for many of the 80's and 90's seasons only goes back to 1983, and 1981-2 was from the monthly weather review. If anyone has anything, let us know! However, I've spent many a time searching and no go. Hurricanehink 02:34, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I've also have been searching, but nothing. juan andrés 03:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
It's too bad that there arent nice images like the one for Fredric for all the other storms! 165.234.102.25 15:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Found a picture of Henri that is, unfortunately, in an AMS published document. The source is http://ams.allenpress.com/pdfserv/10.1175%2F1520-0493(1984)112%3C1108:TTCROS%3E2.0.CO%3B2 and it's "Figure 4". Jake52 My talk 00:41, 10 July 2006 (EST)
Great find! I wonder if, because it is a US satellite (NASA), it would qualify for public domain? --Hurricanehink (talk) 12:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Q: Do I need written permission?

A: No. Our "blanket permission" in the copyright statement on the inside cover of our journals provides for the use of figures and brief excerpts without formal written permission provided you acknowledge the source of the material. Therefore, written permission is not needed.

This is from the FAQ page on AMS' website. What do you think? Does this mean the pics are useable? Jake52 My talk 22:32, 10 July 2006 (EST)

I don't know. You should ask User:Titoxd. He's generally good with thse types of things. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
The pictures are not explicitly released under a free license, so they cannot be uploaded to commons; that said, we have an extremely strong fair use argument here, as they are the only images available of their kind, and serve to illustrate the subject in a way that they would not infringe upon their commercial resale value. As a result, we could upload them under WP:FU (make sure to have a written rationale for any image you upload!) However, what would be ideal is for someone to ask the AMS whether they can actually be used on Wikipedia under {{attribution}}—meaning that they are available to be released under a license that allows commercial redistribution, such as the images listed on WP:IT. Titoxd(?!?) 02:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Only non landfalling storm?

What about Buelah in 59 and Inga in 61? Huh? and Edouard was the same in 84. Not just jeanne and henri. →Cyclone1→ 23:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

That was added by Storm05, who didn't add a reference. I removed that, and changed it to something more general. Hurricanehink 02:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanx. →Cyclone1→ 16:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Alberto ('82) just as a reminder was another.Mitchazenia(8600+edits) 01:34, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Found Something Interesting

I was recently visiting the site where the images of Hurricanes Greta and Belle came from (the ones that were blue) and stumbled on an odd picture. The picture showed Hurricane David...err what WOULD become David (a tropical wave in the picture) and noticed the picture caption said it was taken on July 23rd. While looking at the picture, I noticed this little bunch of convection. According to the date of the picture and most of the data on the season, that bunch is where Claudette was at the time. My question is this: Is that convective mess what we know as Tropical Storm Claudette (1979)? Jake52

Looks like it. Good work! Hurricanehink (talk) 13:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Actualy, scratch that. The site says it was taken on September 23, 1979, but David formed well before that. In fact, only one (sub)tropical storm formed after it. I'm not sure why they say David, but I now seriously doubt that this was a precursor to Claudette. If the date was wrong, but it was still David as a tropical wave, it still can't be Claudette. David moved off the coast of Africa on August 22. Given its location, I would guess the picture was taken on August 23, almost a full month after Claudette dissipated. Hurricanehink (talk) 13:37, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I see. Must've gotten a little confused there. Well, all I can say is the search is on...again. Jake52
LOL, good luck. Hurricanehink (talk) 20:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What's needed for B-Class

Well? There was one tropical depression apparently and I added it.Mitchazenia(8600+edits) 01:34, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, sourcing everything, expanding all storm histories, season summary. I don't know, do you need more? Hurricanehink (talk) 02:31, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Pretty much done.Strike that, found info on depressions, now must add. Man, that was hard, look how active this season was and it is sourced 27 depressions, 9 storms , 7 hurricanes, 2 major. Now is it B?Mitchazenia(8600+edits) 18:27, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
No. The sections are still very short, and the writing overall isn't that good. Hurricanehink (talk) 03:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Well here's something- I used your calculator and got a 2006 USD lower than whats mentioned at only $11.11 billion not $12.1 billion.Is this legit or not?Forgot to mention- i used the 4.27 billion and I also used the updated one with TD2's damage.Mitchazenia(almost 8800+edits) 17:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reports

Why does Claudette, Henri and STS 1 have pics from the MWR and not an actual report?Mitchazenia(8600+edits) 01:34, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I would guess one of two reasons. First, it's possible they made a report back in 1979, but by the time 1997 came around they lost the report for inclusion so they used the MWR - pretty unlikely but it is 18 years. Second, they might not have issued a report. For Claudette, maybe they didn't have sufficient information until several months after the storm, meaning they might have just prepared it for the MWR. After all, the MWR is, in some seasons, a more-or-less copy of the preliminary reports with some post-season changes. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] All of these Tropical Depressions

Hi there, I really doubt that there were 85 "tropical systems" exisiting during this season wouldn't that be the 2005 Atlantic Season so Mitchazenia I highly think that you are putting up fake ones. Miracle55star (talk) 23:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure about 85 tropical systems (probably total number of tropical waves tracked), but the depressions put in the article are legitimate. Hurricanehink (talk) 01:26, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
That would almost be correct - the report mentions what the 85 were.Mitchazenia(almost 8800+edits) 01:48, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Wow, i cant beleve that there were 27 depressions but yet only 9 storms!. IMO, the 1979 season was the 2005 season that never happened. Also had the depressions became tropical storms, maybe the NHC back then would be very stumped since (this is my guess) the use of the greek alphabet never exisited in 1979. Storm05 16:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
The Greek alphabet has been around for thousands of years, just to let you know. Hurricanehink (talk) 16:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
But yet havent been used to name tropical cyclones untill 2005 and the idea of using the greek alphabet to name tropical cyclones probalbly didnt exist in 1979 and possibly started after the NHC added the X,Y and Z names to eastern pacific list during the 1985 Pacific hurricane season in anticpation that more storms would form. Storm05 16:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
It could have existed back in 1979. How do you know? They could've had it as a backup plan. Hurricanehink (talk) 16:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Doubt it.Storm05 16:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
This number of depressions per season was run of the mill before the early 1980's. Even though the tropical depression definition has barely changed over the years, its use has been significantly limited since the early 1980's. Thegreatdr 20:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tracks of some of the systems

  • 8120 6/11/1979 M= 6 1 SNBR= 132 XING=0 Tropical Depression #1
  • 8130 6/11* 0 0 0 0* 0 0 0 0*174 811 20 0*177 808 25 0*
  • 8150 6/12*181 802 25 0*184 799 25 0*190 796 25 0*195 794 30 0*
  • 8160 6/13*200 792 30 0*205 791 30 0*210 790 25 0*218 790 25 0*
  • 8170 6/14*229 790 25 0*237 790 25 0*245 790 30 0*251 790 30 0*
  • 8180 6/15*259 790 30 0*266 791 30 0*272 794 30 0*281 797 30 0*
  • 8190 6/16*294 799 30 0*308 800 30 0*320 800 30 0*334 802 0 0*
  • 8200 TD
  • 8210 7/ 8/1979 M= 6 2 SNBR= 133 XING=0 Tropical Depression #4
  • 8220 7/ 8* 0 0 0 0* 0 0 0 0*204 700 20 0*210 703 25 0*
  • 8230 7/ 9*218 708 25 0*223 711 25 0*230 712 25 0*239 710 25 0*
  • 8240 7/10*247 710 25 0*254 708 25 0*261 704 25 0*270 701 25 0*
  • 8250 7/11*281 699 25 0*292 697 25 0*301 692 25 0*317 681 25 0*
  • 8260 7/12*330 670 25 0*340 655 25 0*350 640 25 0*362 620 25 0*
  • 8270 7/13*378 599 25 0*390 578 20 0*402 552 20 0* 0 0 0 0*
  • 8280 TD
  • 8410 7/31/1979 M= 7 5 SNBR= 136 XING=0 Tropical Depression #6
  • 8420 7/31* 0 0 0 0* 0 0 0 0*170 540 25 0*176 563 25 0*
  • 8430 8/ 1*183 586 25 0*194 606 25 0*207 623 30 0*219 635 30 0*
  • 8440 8/ 2*230 648 30 0*244 655 30 0*259 666 30 0*270 670 30 0*
  • 8450 8/ 3*280 675 30 0*291 680 30 0*302 681 30 0*320 685 30 0*
  • 8460 8/ 4*335 685 30 0*350 685 30 0*366 684 30 0*385 675 30 0*
  • 8470 8/ 5*405 665 30 0*420 650 30 0*438 638 30 0*460 600 25 0*
  • 8480 8/ 6*475 555 25 0*482 506 25 0*485 450 20 0* 0 0 0 0*
  • 8490 TD
  • 8500 8/25/1979 M= 4 6 SNBR= 137 XING=0 Tropical Depression #8
  • 8510 8/25* 0 0 0 0* 0 0 0 0*180 945 20 0*190 950 25 0*
  • 8520 8/26*194 952 205 0*200 960 30 0*208 960 30 0*218 960 30 0*
  • 8530 8/27*227 960 30 0*234 960 30 0*242 961 30 0*249 966 25 0*
  • 8540 8/28*247 971 25 0*240 985 25 0*238 990 0 0* 0 0 0 0*
  • 8550 TD
  • 8640 9/16/1979 M= 6 8 SNBR= 139 XING=0 Tropical Depression #13
  • 8650 9/16* 0 0 0 0* 0 0 0 0*156 485 20 0*162 492 20 0*
  • 8660 9/17*170 500 25 0*179 506 25 0*190 510 25 0*198 515 25 0*
  • 8670 9/18*208 516 25 0*217 516 30 0*224 517 30 0*230 516 30 0*
  • 8680 9/19*256 516 30 0*270 515 30 0*288 515 30 0*302 515 30 0*
  • 8690 9/20*321 512 30 0*340 510 30 0*359 504 25 0*371 500 25 0*
  • 8700 9/21*390 490 25 0*402 481 25 0*418 470 20 0* 0 0 0 0*
  • 8710 TD
  • 8720 10/12/1979 M= 9 9 SNBR= 140 XING=0 Tropical Depression #14
  • 8730 10/12* 0 0 0 0* 0 0 0 0*169 873 20 0*172 871 20 0*
  • 8740 10/13*176 869 25 0*179 864 25 0*180 860 25 0*181 855 30 0*
  • 8750 10/14*182 849 30 0*183 844 30 0*184 839 30 0*185 834 30 0*
  • 8760 10/15*188 829 30 0*189 824 30 0*191 821 30 0*193 818 30 0*
  • 8770 10/16*197 814 30 0*200 812 30 0*203 812 30 0*207 814 30 0*
  • 8780 10/17*210 817 30 0*211 821 30 0*212 825 30 0*211 830 30 0*
  • 8790 10/18*210 835 25 0*209 840 25 0*205 844 25 0*202 848 25 0*
  • 8800 10/19*200 851 25 0*197 857 25 0*195 864 25 0*191 869 25 0*
  • 8810 10/20*190 872 20 0*188 879 20 0*186 882 0 0* 0 0 0 0*
  • 8820 TD
  • 8910 11/ 7/1979 M= 4 11 SNBR= 142 XING=0 Subtropical Depression #15
  • 8920 11/ 7* 0 0 0 0* 0 0 0 0*245 561 20 0*252 552 25 0*
  • 8930 11/ 8*260 545 25 0*265 536 25 0*271 527 30 0*278 515 30 0*
  • 8940 11/ 9*283 504 30 0*290 495 30 0*291 482 30 0*292 469 25 0*
  • 8950 11/10*292 455 20 0* 0 0 0 0* 0 0 0 0* 0 0 0 0*
  • 8960 TD

Thegreatdr (talk) 20:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

This throws doubt on the numbering of the tropical depressions listed in the main article. I know the annual summary numbers them, but did they have this designation in real time? If not, how would we resolve this? I'm under the impression that we'd refer to these systems as they were referred to in real-time, if possible. Thegreatdr (talk) 06:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)