Talk:1967 N3381W Piper Cherokee crash

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I've tagged this article for deletion. We can't have an article about every single light aircraft accident in the world, and this one doesn't stand out as being notable. Mexcellent 10:41, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

This article obviously doesn't meet the criteria for speedy deletion. If you don't think it's notable enough, you're going to have to nominate it for AfD. —Cleared as filed. 11:57, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clarification of speedy deletion reason

Peter Barris and his passengers are not notable. While tragic, the accident does not warrant an article. The reason given was "Unremarkable people or groups" despite the fact the article is about a plane crash. However, the article obviously centers on the pilot, Peter Barris, as his name is bolded in the article and there is a redirect on his name pointing to this article. Sorry if the initial reasoning wasn't clear. Mexcellent 12:29, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Because the article is about a plane crash, this isn't a candidate for speedy deletion. And even if the article was about Peter Barris, there is an assertion of notability in this article, and therefore it has to be nominated to AfD. The community might still decide that you're right and it's not notable, but that's what AfD is for. This simply doesn't meet the criteria for speedy deletion. —Cleared as filed. 12:35, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Tag removed now that I know there was something notable about the crash (not the pilot) but not detailed in the article itself. Mexcellent 12:59, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rename?

Any objections if I move this to Crash of N3381W? The current name is kind of silly. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:00, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverting name change (1967 Piper Cherokee Six crash)

I've reverted this name change because it is too vague. The NTSB data base lists 48 PA-32 accidents in 1967, 5 of them with fatalities. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:43, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out. Since similar articles use the [Year + flight/plane + "crash/accident/..."] formula, how about "1967 N3381W Piper Cherokee crash"? Sardanaphalus (talk) 05:37, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what's wrong with the current name, but at least the one you suggest is not ambiguous. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:42, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

To expand on that a bit, the purpose of a title is something that somebody could reasonably be expected to type into the search box and find this article directly. The most common way to refer to GA aircraft is by their registration number (i.e. N3381W), thus "Crash of N3381W" is something you might reasonably be expected to think of to type into a search box, if you were interested in that crash. It seems very unlikely somebody would think to type "1967 N3381W Piper Cherokee crash" into a search box. That's not a title, that's an abstract. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:56, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree, but offer categorization as an alternative angle to think about (and reconcile with your point). If "Crash of N3381W" is retained as a redirect to "1967 N3381W Piper Cherokee crash", both these angles (user-friendliness and categorization) hopefully should be able to sit together. Sardanaphalus (talk) 04:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, I guess that makes sense, and I guess it would make sense to add just plain N3318W as a redirect too. Diverging slightly, what I don't understand is why we have this article in the first place. It doesn't seem particularly noteworthy compared to the hundreds of GA crashes that happen every year. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Good point. Looking at the article's history, I'm guessing it was retained due to the antenna (but that still seems pretty tenuous). For now, I've moved the page to "1967 N3381W Piper Cherokee crash" mentioned above, retained the various redirects, and created a "N33118W" redirect. Sardanaphalus (talk) 22:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)