Talk:1936 Summer Olympics

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Maybe the contents of Basketball at the 1936 Summer Olympics can be merged here and that page be made a redirect to this page. Jay 09:59, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Is that the proper Japanese flag for 1936? Didn't it have rays running from the sun to the edges of the flag? RickK 22:56, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)

Not sure - I realise there could be some anomalies with flags. I'll go through and check later. I just wanted to fill out the table on all previous olympic games! -- Chuq 00:21, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Flag of Japan says it was only used for military purposes, so the 'Red dot' flag is fine. Still, it is something that needs to be checked - Sth Africa, Canada and India are also ones to look out for. -- Chuq 03:17, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
And the US flag would have 48 stars, if you wanted to have to deal with that.  :) RickK

The paragraph about Sohn Kee-chung and Nam Sung-yong was a classic POV claiming that they were "forced to" run and that their country had been "invaded". Not to mention being misinformed about the past state of their countries existence, they entered the field of athletic on their own without any coercing from Japanese government. Unless any and all country which had been another country's rule are thus be noted, it's simply a bad POV. Revth 05:05, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The '1936 Summer Olympics' is full of partisan reporting. Here are some problems I have been able to identify. Shakuhachi 01:48, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Top medal-collecting nations:

(for the full table, see 1936 Summer Olympics medal count)

Although the medal count for Germany is official, it would not be considered legitimate by today's standards since the German atheletes would have been disqualified because of drug use.

What a nonsense. First it is not known who used drugs. Maybe Jesse Owens did? And second: Do you believe that drug use have any significant influence on Gymnastics, shooting or equestrian, where the Germans had been the most successful. In athletics America was the most succesfull and no one believes that American sport had ever had lesser problems with drugs than most other nations.Sorry that you are pissed of that Nazi-Germany was far the most succesfull Nations in this games- but history is not always fair.

This is gratuitous and irrelevant. Does the duty to despise Hitler have to come at the expense of accuracy? There is no evidence that the German team used any more drugs than any other team at the time. By singling out the German team, it seems like a partisan attempt to deligitimize their victory.

  • In the marathon two Korean athletes -- Sohn Kee-chung and Nam Sung-yong -- won medals, running for Japan and under Japanese names.

This is extremely misleading. The names are not Japanese. First of all, the names they used in the olympics were simply the Japanese pronunciation of the Chinese characters that make up thier names. Their last names, which are almost identical when pronounced in Japanese (Sohn was Son, pronounced exactly the same way, and Nam was Nan, with the n as the final consonant instead of m). Both of these last names do not exist as last names in the Japanese language, so it would be apparent to any Japanese of Korean watching or reading about the olympics that these athletes were indeed Koreans, and not Japanese. Their given names are also unlikey Japanese given names. Not impossible, but something like one in a million maybe.

  • German communist Werner Seelenbinder had planned to win the wrestling event and make a vulgar gesture at Hitler; but instead came fourth.

How can this be descibed as a highlight of the olympics when the event didnt actually happen? Again, this was only included to somehow 'fight Hitler'. Shakuhachi 01:48, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Does anyone find that "grove" of sexual pleasures note a little fishy? I have no evidence against it, but the wording of it seems dubious. If anyone has any support of that it would be great to add in a citation. Twoblackeyes 10:30 1 Aug 2006

I can't find any information about this "grove" outside of the olympic village ellegedly used for sexual favors for the athletes. Every article dealing with Nazi Germany seems to have these obscure biased subjects added to them that are often completely off topic and serve no purpose other than to take another whack at the dead Nazi horse. I think we're all so used to having such a strong opinion about Nazi Germany and Hitler that it is second nature for us to reject and revile against anything associated with that movement. In doing so we all too often blind ourselves to the more subjective nature of history that neutrality demands. Under those conditions it is hard to come to an unbiased conclusion or viewpoint due to the emotionally charged nature of the subject and its devisiveness. Whenever dealing with this subject it is hard for us to admit that anything good at all might have come from Nazi Germany, at the expense of the more subtle aspects of reality. We are blinded and bound by the pre-conceptions we are taught in school, at church and have pounded into our minds each day by mass media, the internet, books, movies and tv drama which illustrates how we are supposed to think, act and react to certain ideas and situations. Those who talk about Nazism in any manor other than to villify it seem bound by some hidden law of concience to disclaim "I am not a neo-nazi and I think the nazis were totally evil but...." to avoid commiting some kind of thought crime or social taboo. You can see it everywhere on this site and every other forum dealing with this subject.

--Nazrac 22:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

In the "participating nations" section, Peru is listed as first-time participant while in the map is not.

--Walkabout86 14:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Acording to http://hnn.us/articles/571.html this article has some wrong facts.

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[edit] Salute

I don't believe the salute link is appropriate here. I've reverted it once. I believe it belongs on a different page, if at all (it looks like original research). Comments? John (Jwy) 01:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Quotes

Is the quote from Hitler in Quotes original research? There is no citation for it. Could somebody Google this? 69.138.229.246 23:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Olympic torch

In the intro it says the olympics torch was introduced for the first time. Later it says it was used for the second time. Clearly one (or both) is wrong Nil Einne 00:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

As per the article Olympic Flame, the flame was first used at Amsterdam in 1928. It's unclear from this if it was used in 1932. The first for the Berlin Olympics was to have a relay bringing the flame from Mt Olympus. I will amend the article accordingly and also remove the reference to Leni Riefenstahl originating this idea, which doesn't seem to be sourced. (I happened to visit the Berlin Olympic stadium about a fortnight ago and there the credit is given solely to Carl Diem as per the Olympic Flame article). Valiantis 01:03, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge of Handball article

I would suggest we don't merge the Handball at the 1936 Summer Olympics article. It looks like there is a standard form for Olympic articles and the various sports. This would make it easy for people to find what they might be looking for without cluttering the main article with details about each sport. John (Jwy) 19:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. There are numerous X at the X Olympics articles, I see no reason as to why handball should be merged. Having these subarticles make everything comprehensive and less cluttered on the main page. Cvene64 17:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely don't merge! The conventions we've established at Wikipedia:WikiProject Sports Olympics call for a set of pages to be used for each Games: the main article (in this case, 1936 Summer Olympics, a page per sport (i.e. "Sport at the 1936 Summer Olympics"), to be used for results, descriptions of the events, etc. (e.g. Handball at the 1936 Summer Olympics), and a page per nation (e.g. Germany at the 1936 Summer Olympics) with results etc. specific to that nation. A lot of this is still work in progress, so some of the articles are missing or stubs, but the structure ought to be left alone until things can be filled in. I have removed the merge request. Andrwsc


[edit] Medals

I have seen on other Wikipedia pages about other Olympiads (more recent ones) a representation of the medals awarded in the Games. I was curious to see what the medals for these Games looked like, but could not find them on the page. Does anyone have a free-use picture they could post, or is there already a page out there with them on it and I"m just missing it?--Canuckguy 02:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar

The entire article needs copy editing badly. The Jesse Owens section is a particularly terrifying section for grammar nerds.

Onyva (talk) 08:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Iranian Team?

I have scanned a private black and white photo gallery for some friend, showing the Iranian team in the games, meanwhile there is no official name of Iran listed. I am wondering how it can be possible? I am just trying to find that friend and ask for the BW scans again to post them somewhere. Anyone knows?

Shaahin (talk) 01:55, 26 November 2007

[edit] Bias

Is it me, or is this another biased article on the Nazis? All I read is "spreading evil" "spreading his hatred of the jews" "evil propaganda" I ask, where are the sources for these claims? It's far from neutral and some of the stuff in it is totally irrelevant... Bwyatt1991 (talk) 01:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Some of it is damn funny. You can tell children write this stuff. Only a kid could imagine Benito Mussolini clamoring away how the victory of Italy's football team was evidence Fascism was a successful form of governance.Polemicisto (talk) 21:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Peru x Austria

"In the quarter-finals of the football tournament, Peru beat Austria 4-2 in extra-time, but a rematch was ordered, arguing that the field was too small for competition and that the Peruvian fans had stormed the field after the fourth goal. The Peruvian government ordered the Olympic team to withdraw in protest, seeing this as an insult, while Austria went on to receive the silver medal"

According to the Fifa site (http://www.fifa.com/tournaments/archive/tournament=512/edition=197041/overview.html), the Peruvian fans ran onto the field while the match was 2x2, not after it was 4x2. And there is no reference of "the field was too small".

[edit] japenis medal count rationale for change

The first place and third place marathoners who won the medals for japan were in fact koreans. They were forced to run for the greedy japenis and were disguised to be japenis. Therefore, the medals should go to Korea, not Japan.

Korea did not compete as an independent nation in 1936. This is no different from Algerians winning medals for France before their independence, for example. Moreover, your change is WP:Original research, as it does not match any published WP:Reliable source. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 15:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nations competing incorrect.

53 nations took part in these games, not the 49 suggested. This is the most glaring omission in a generally poor article. PhilipPage (talk) 02:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? The International Olympic Committee's official page says 49.