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[edit] December 2007

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[edit] Rongorongo

Anonymous editor(s) (perhaps you) have for several years rewritten the Rongorongo article to reflect the views of Lorena Bettocchi. Personally, I find her views incoherent and unconvincing, but in any case they belong in a section about her, not as the theme of every paragraph in the article. She may have convinced you that she's found The Truth, but until she's accepted by the general academic community, we need to present her as merely one voice among many. kwami (talk) 18:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Response : who are members of the general academic community you know ? So the truth is : a lot of mistakes are in the wikipedia page, in english... writing rongorongo is polynesian culture and Lorena Bettocchi is accepted by Polinesians Academies and more and more accepted by arqueologists, astro phisicians, linguists in the world.

It isn't our job to decide who is correct. Since there are several hypotheses as to the nature of rongorongo, we need to present all of them on their merits. The fact that you are convinced by Bettocchi is not reason to present only her POV. I've reverted nearly everything you've added to the rongorongo article for two reasons: (1) you're attempting to change the topic from 'rongorongo' to 'Bettocchi on rongorongo'. (You can create a new article on that topic if you like.) (2) I can hardly make sense of a single thing you write. You refer to dozens of concepts, 'manuscripts', etc., without any context that will allow the reader to understand what they mean. (You don't even bother to spell words correctly when they already appear correctly in the article. If you're that sloppy with your writing, it makes me wonder if you're sloppy in your research as well. Sorry if I'm being rude, but I'm just trying to be honest.)
I've looked at some of Bettocchi's stuff on the web, but didn't find it very coherent. Perhaps they required background knowledge that I don't have. Can you refer me to a document that summarizes Bettocchi's basic position and findings, to give me that background? In English, French, or Spanish, I don't care. Thanks. kwami (talk) 20:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Iorana Kwami : te contestan un grupo de Rapanui. El mejor de nosotres, antropologo, Clemente Hereveri Teao acaba de fallecer. Nosotros ahora estudiamos, vamos a la Universidad y salimos graduados, capaz de intender quien ha estudiado bien o se ha burlado de nosotros y de nuestra escritura. Se acabó entonces la epoca antigua de hartas speculaciones intellectuales. Somos tambien capaz de reconstituir la banca de datos de lo publicado anteriormente sobre el rongorongo y de todos los errores publicados desde 1893 hasta 2007. Estudios fueron hechos, con muchos detailles. Pero nadie como la philologa francesa, que ha vivido con nosotros, habia intendido la structura de nuestra escritura. Ella trabaja sobre el rongorongo desde su llegada a la Polinesia en 1992. Ella vino con nosotros desde navidad 1992. Y Ud ? Piensamos que su conocimiento sobre el rongorongo es muy limitado ... Acaso tomaste una sola vez nuestra opinion ? Tal vez por Ud el rongorongo es "a syllabic writing". No puede ser. Ud escribe que la profesora francesa no es reconocida por la comunidad internacional ? Ud debes nombrar esa comunidad de linguistas. Al V forum de las lenguas Maori en Tahtiti su charla fue adoptada a la Unanimidad. Muchas gracias se Ud busque un poco mas de objectividad, en su mismo y en los 4 sitios internet que para nosotros representan el principio de la verdad y de la luz sobre el rongorongo [[1]] [[2]] [[3]] - [[4]]. Vayase en los cantos de nuestro anciano Ure Vae Iko y vease el trabajo que fue hecho por ella en contra de Metraux que Ud cita... Nosotros fuimos presentes en la 6a conferencia organizada por la EIF en Chile. Sus conclusiones fueron adoptadas por toda la comunidad rapanui, y international. Pero los norte americanos no publicaron sus conclusiones. Lo que es raro no ratificaron tampoco la Declaracion de los derechos indigenas en septiembre passado... La verdad es que Lorena Bettocchi presenta y comproba otras conclusiones que la de Steven Fischer. La investigadora francesa mueve el ordinen establescido por algunos que tienen en mano las publicaciones. Pero eso, internet es bueno... para nosotros. Vamos apoyarla hasta el premio Nobel aún no hay premio Nobel en el tema. Agradecemos la manera con la cual ella ha restablecido verdades historicas y rehabilidado el trabajo en semantica de nuestros metua Arturo Teao Tori, Juan Araki y Gabriel Veri-veri que no encuentraron nada de extraordinario en la palabra "porcelaine" porque hay qualquier pure a la isla. Pero hicieron correcctiones morfologicas y en semantica del repertorio de Mgr Jaussen, el descubrimiento de Lorena Bettocchi la hace salir para nosotros al nivel 7. Iorama Kwami, ina vananga rakerake i runga nua Lorena. Te aamu nua Lorena i roto rongorongo haka rahi. marama rahi. Lorena E tahi vahine.

Thank you for the links. You're right, my knowledge of rongorongo is indeed very limited! I will take a look at the links you provided. However, some of the things you say confuse me. For example, you say that the other researchers haven't signed the Declaration of Indigenous Rights. Surely that has nothing to do with the quality of their research? and also that her conclusions were adopted by the entire Rapanui community -- but the truth of a hypothesis isn't determined by popular vote! Regardless, until other researchers, whether Fischer or Macri or whoever, recognize that Bettocchi is on the right track, we as an encyclopedia need to present all views, hers and theirs, as alternate hypotheses. We can't decide on truth, we can only report what others say is the truth. Rongorongo is a difficult subject because there is no consensus, only many claims to having deciphered it which contradict each other. kwami (talk) 04:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Respuesta: nuestro estudio sobre el rongorongo nunca es unicamente compuesto de una comunidad rapanui que todos quieren bajar de nivel intellectual : por ejemplo el arqueologo Sergio Alejo Rapu esta en las Universidades de Hawaii y Berkeley, con su staff. Y en las Academias de Tahiti hay estudiosos de Europa, pero todos tienen en comun : han vivido largos tiempos en la Polinesia. En el CEIPP de Paris que trabaja honoris causa sobre nuestra escritura, hay gente del CNRS hasta el premio nobel Jean Dausset. Cuidado : nuestra intencion no es de borrar a los otros estudiosos: el hecho que hemos constatado estuvo el siguiente : que las publicaciones de Lorena Bettocchi estan sistematicamente borradas en wikipedia en engles, como investigadora en linguistica. No attempts decifrement by semantics studies see Method Lorena Bettocchi on www.rongo-rongo.com [[5]]. la fuerza de la investigadora francesa : conoce muy bien en cada detailles de nuestra historia y habla el idioma antiguo. Hay otro argumento : en su sitio ella habla de los linguistas de manera objectiva. Todas las publicaciones mayores fueron revisadas con nosotros. Donde vivies tu ? Hemos visitado el link con tu nombre en el blog: en Melanesia ? Seria un gran aporte comunicar con los linguistas y arqueologos de Sumatra : porque tenemos datos sobre los petroglifos de Batavia y buscamos algo que se acerca del rongorongo. Hasta pronto. Rapanui heritage group.

About stones with rongo-rongo writing (20th century) the best investigation is from Lorena Bettocchi [[6]]: Believe me : a lot a qualities in methodologic systems... (talk)- We can go ahead in arqueologic datas... My name Timoteakoako

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