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[edit] FA Cup winning goalscorers

I see that you have been adding a succession box to various articles under this heading.

This is fraught with difficulties, not least one of definition. Who says which is the winning goal? Clearly Drogba's goal in the 2007 fianl was the winning goal, but why was Kinnaird's goal in 1873 selected. As Kinnaird scored first, should Charles Wollaston's goal not have been selected? But even then, how do you decide which is most important - the first goal or the last. What about penalty shoot-outs? For what it's worth, I think the whole idea is doomed to failure. Daemonic Kangaroo 16:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I imagine what you are saying here is that if a final finished 4-2 is the third or fourth goal classed as the winner? Well to clarify this FIFA state that a winning goal is the final goal of any game scored by the team who prove victorious. Again to explain this example in a 4-2 victory, the third goal is the decisive goal while the fourth is the winning goal. The question has been raised previously in books, hence FIFA providing an official version.

On the 1873 cup final, according to the Football Association, Wollaston scored first. To be sure I thought I'd check an independent site and have this sentence from a match report published in www.hometown.aol.co.uk/captainbeecher/1873FACUPFINAL.html

"Exactly when the goals were scored is not known but Charles Wollaston broke the deadlock for the holders before Kinnaird capped his fine display with the clincher."

You also need to be careful with your wiki markup. Have a look at how I've fixed Jeff Astle and Norman Whiteside for example. Cheers. --Jameboy 18:04, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that, still learning the ropes

I take you point regarding FIFA's definition of a "winning goal" although I still think it's rather dubious. However, the article at FA Cup Final 1873 clearly says that Kinnaird scored first followed by Wollaston. It would also be useful if the succession box actually linked to the FA cup final article as I've done with Frank Saul. - Daemonic Kangaroo 18:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC) p.s. Please sign your comments by adding four tildes (~) at the end.

As per the consensus on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football I have rolled back the edits you have made. The definition of a "winning goal" is by no means universally agreed upon and in any case the general belief is that such information constitutes as trivia rather than a useful addition to the Wikipedia project. You are however more than welcome to continue contributing to Wikipedia, but please consider the usefulness of your edits, and if in any doubt please consult with other Wikipedia editors before embarking on so much effort next time. Thank you. Qwghlm 20:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)