Talk:160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (United States)

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Contents 1 NPOV dispute 2 Regarding 160th SOAR Helicopters 3 References 4 Night vision equipment 5 4th Battalion 6 Past vs Present Tense

[edit] NPOV dispute

Moved to: Talk:160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment/NPOV disputes

Please use the above page for further and future discussion regarding NPOV disputes of this article.

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[edit] Regarding 160th SOAR Helicopters

Please, do not change the links to where the helicopters point to.

• The UH-60 Black Hawk and the MH-60 Black Hawk are DIFFERENT helicopters. [1]
• The CH-47 Chinook and MH-47 Chinook are DIFFERENT helicopters. [2]

I will be copy/pasting the information from the 160th SOAR USASOC website about the helicopters used by the unit. On the meanwhile, please leave the wiki links as they are.

--Maio 03:48, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

"The UH-60 Black Hawk and the MH-60 Black Hawk are DIFFERENT helicopters."

Kind of depends on your point of view. You could easily say they were different variants of the same helicopter - for example the airframes are the same, the engines are the same, the performance is pretty much the same; the only things different are the equipment specification. I changed the links from red ones to blue ones. Feel free to change them back when there is an actual MH-60 link. Incidentally, the page on 3rd battalion says half its MH-60s are "configured as AH-60". See GlobalSecurity.org, which consider all *H-60s to be 'variants'. DJ Clayworth 16:06, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the references. I beleive the best way would be to create an article named "H-60 Black Hawk helicopter" where we describe and give a picture of all the variants of the helicopter model. That way we avoid visitors' confussion and eliminate future issues regarding wikifies; as we will redirect all helicopter variations to that article. What do you think of this? --Maio 00:55, Jan 13, 2004 (UTC)

That's an excellent idea. We can put the generic info in there, and details of the variants in individual articles. In fact I think we should suggest this as the standard approach. For less popular helicopters we can have one article for the generic copter, and add articles oneach variant as required. Thanks for the suggestion. DJ Clayworth 15:29, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Aight, I'm gonna start editing the article on Talk:Black Hawk helicopter/Sandbox to avoid vandalizing the current article. If you could work with me, that would be awesome. --Maio 12:19, Jan 14, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] References

Removed References section; its three listings duplicated three things that appeared above it in the text. I've pasted the removed section below Bbpen 05:05, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

References

1. 160th SOAR (A) fact sheet, 2003. U.S. Army 101st Airborne Division, Fort Campbell, Ky.
2. 160th SOAR (A) fact sheet, 2003. U.S. Special Operations Command, Fort Bragg, N.C.
3. Image, The crew of Super 64 a month before the battle of Mogadishu, September 1993, by Phil Lepre. U.S. Army Rangers.

[edit] Night vision equipment

The article makes mention of the Nightstlakers being the first to use nightvision equipment in night combat operations in 1987. I'm wondering about the validity of this considering British helicopter pilots were reported as using Night vision goggles in the Falklands war when flying SAS/SBS/Commando units into their operating areas. TasDave 08:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

This is very much possible, however, the 160th was created in the smoking debris of Operation: Eagle Claw. The first combat operations could very well have been covert actions throughout the 1980's as well as possibly Grenada. We cannot be sure. As I understood it, the 160th was the first to use NVG's during low level deep penetrator strikes or insertions.

If anyone can back the early validity of these statements with an excerpt from "Company Of Heroes" would be great.

Mcase07 (talk) 22:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 4th Battalion

I believe the forth battalion is located at Fort Lewis (like the introduction states) but towards the bottom of the page, it has conflicting information about the fourth battalion. Can someone please research and correct that?yalepilot 10:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

4th Battalion was moved up to Ft. Lewis Wa, about 2 years back. They have also moved the company that was in pacom back to the states to help start 4th Bn. Rick 10:17 20 NOV 2007

[edit] Past vs Present Tense

Much of this article is written in the past tense ("the force was headquartered.." etc) . Am I right in thinking the regiment still exists? In that case I'll change it to present tense. Thom2002 (talk) 14:21, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

alright I've taken silence as agreement! Thom2002 (talk) 21:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)