Talk:1500-1550 in fashion

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[edit] Cleanup still needed

I added categories and fixed a few glaring errors in grammer. The article still needs work, which I would willingly do right now if I were less sleepy.  — AnnaKucsma   (Talk to me!) 16:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for starting this; I have been meaning to do it for ages. I'll help. - PKM 17:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I added pictures and expanded the men's section. Will do more. - PKM 18:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Corsets

Did women really wear corsets (outside of certain geographic areas) before the 1520's? Churchh 21:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

No. AnnaKucsma's info mostly applies to England in the 1530s and '40s. This article needs some expansion to cover the entire period and all of Western Europe. Lots of good images in the Commons for this period. - PKM 22:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Expanding

I have added a bunch of stuff and now I am completely fried. I am thinking of organizing by region (instead of 1500s-1520s and 1530s-1540s) and putting each gallery with its region, and of course we need to add notes for all the images in the galleries - but not tonight!!!! - PKM 01:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I've changed out the image at the top of the page - this one more clearly shows both men's and women's styles.

There's probably plenty of material for someone to do an in-depth article on German fashion in the sixteenth century, but I am not the one to do it. We could just link it from these surveys. - PKM 18:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

PS I am also rethink organizing by region - if we mention regional variations (e.g. uncovered hair and full sleeves in Italy) I think the early-late break will work fine. Open to input on this (as in all things). - PKM 18:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Caption needs work?

English or French fashion of 1545: the trumpet-sleeved "Tudor gown", worn over a farthingale and false undersleeves with a matching forepart. The turned-back cuffs are lined with lynx fur, as is the skirt of the gown. The lady wears a jeweled girdle with a tassel and a French hood.

The picture at right was cut-and-pasted from the article, complete with caption. It describes the skirt of the gown as being lined with fur, as well as the sleeves. Yet, I don't see any fur on the gown except that which is on the sleves. Is there a source that describes the skirt as fur-lined? And if so, shouldn't it really be discussed in the article text, rather than left in a caption?  — AnnaKucsma   (Talk to me!) 15:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Look at the high res image & you will see long hairs coming inwards from underneath the sides of the outer skirts. Of course the description doesn't say where the painting is... Johnbod 01:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

"Lady Jane Dudley, commonly called Lady Jane Grey [as the picture was identified then]... The sleeves are turned back to show the linings of lynx. The whole skirt is probably lined with fur. A line of white hairs may be seen under each side of the front opening, lying over the deep red forepart..." Janet Arnold, Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd, p. 125, see refs. (Arnold comments in detail on the clothing in several portraits of the 1530s and '40s referenced in this article.)

But I should have footnoted that (I didn't know how when I wrote this section!). I will fix it.

The painting in in the National Portrait Gallery, London, which has changed the identification to Katherine Parr. - PKM 19:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FA nom?

This seems like a wonderful article, full of colorful pictures. Good stuff. Vranak

It would be something of a test-case for the use of galleries, I think, which many WP style-gurus seem to dislike strongly, but go for it. Johnbod 02:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Hold on, if you would; I am working on a clean-up and expansion.

To be done:

• • Move and expand discussion of sumptuary laws
  • Add footnotes throughout
  • More discussion of women's fashion pre-1530 now that I have good references

I have already started a general trends section.

- PKM 19:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)