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[edit] History of New England colleges and universitites

Hello, Castleton was founded in 1787, making it 5 years older than UVM. CApitol3 12:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


Castleton was not established as a college/university until 1867. It was a grammar school prior to that. Its charter in 1787 was not that of a college. Analogy: Vermont was a republic until 1791 NOT a state. It had a geo-political entity, but not that of a state. In parallel, Castleton had an educational identity, but not that of a college/higher education institution. That charter/mission did not occur until 1867. See below:

Castleton was founded as a grammar school, teaching Greek and Latin and helping to fulfill the Vermont Constitution's requirement of universal free education for Vermont's citizens. In 1867 the State Normal School was founded in Castleton. Normal school a term based on the French école normale supérieure, a school to educate teachers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.198.116.38 (talk) 16:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] University of Vermont

Your extensive changes on April 2 made some improvements were needed.

But it also deleted a LOT of stuff that should be left with almost no edit summaries explaining why. Missing are Kake Walk (embarrassing?), number of graduates (doesn't match up well with number of attendees?), tuition (a rather important figure), marijuana use (embarrassing), naked bike ride (embarrassing), percentage of Vermont resident who attend (embarrassingly low), PLUS adding a lot of PR about Burlington which is not useful.

This is NOT a PR article for UVM's administrative benefit. This is an encyclopedia. Discuss major changes first please particularly when you are new to the article!

Please don't make extensive changes again without first discussing them. Student7 (talk) 21:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


I recommend adding tution in the fact box to left, not tacked onto text at end of overview. I will make that edit - and hopefully not screw up formatting

I have removed descriptive copy of Burlington Vermont - that was a cut and paste. Sorry.

There were 2 sections on activism. I have removed the section that was least current. It gets down to a question of how much history to present before a wiki entry gets bogged down - as MANY have. Activism on college campuses is a common and proud tradition. But how much to include... should the demonstrations during the Viet Nam and El Salvador eras be added as well... are there others? Where do we stop? Current issues is the line I propose. Perhaps "student activism" deserves its own page. What is truly informative about UVM by general public standards? That is the Wiki test.

Re: Number of gaduates - that information was randomly attached to a section and appeared above a listing of enrollment figures that were not current and did not match figures in the fact box. There is not embarassment in presenting that information - but it should be correct, consistent, and presented in logical textual content.

The Princeton Review report on marijuana use is not scientific in any way, as the publication itself notes. It lacks authority and is inappropriate to cite.

Is the naked bike ride an important student tradition? If it is, maybe it should be included in that context, not a section unto itself. As you know, the spirit of Wikipedia is not to market, entertain, or shock and abuse as a forum for personal values and interests. Does the NBR hold up to the test of an important fact about the University of Vermont from the general public's point of view? If so, why?

What is included and what is not in itself becomes powerful PR - even if it is factual. That issue must be carefully considered in the editing process.

You could not be more right, Wikipedia is not a PR or personal forum in any way.

I moved your reply to the UVM discussion page and replied at the bottom. Student7 (talk) 20:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] University and college founding dates

Dear unregistered user at IP Address 132.198.116.38. Hi, many North American east coast and European colleges and universities were not founded as their current institutional status or name. To wit Harvard College and William and Mary began as something very similar to the grammar school that Castleton were founded as. Middlebury College was founded as a grammar school, Colby College in Maine was at the time of its founding was also very much like a Vermont Grammar school. Princeton Univeristy was founded as the College of New Jersey, offering Greek, Latin, algerbra, and geometry, almost the definition of an eighteenth or nineteenth century grammar school. The curriculum of UVA and Yale University at their founding were also the same as a Vermont Grammar School in the eighteenth century. Until late in the nineteenth century better than half of Harvard College's students were under 20. This was also the case for the first several decades of UVM. From your edits I am curious if you might be an employee or alumni/ae of UVM? I am not a CSC student or alumni or an employee of the Vermont State Colleges. Best, CApitol3 (talk) 22:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I have moved this discussion to the University of Vermont talk page where it is pertinent. CApitol3 (talk) 22:00, 4 April 2008 (UTC)