Talk:12th Street riot
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[edit] Name
Why the "12th Street Riot"? I was in Detroit during and after the Riots and I never heard them referred to as the "12th Street Riot". It's not a descriptive name because the riots spread over a huge area, including the east and west side of the city. I always heard the riots refered to in Detroit as "The '67 Riot", to differentiate from race riots that had taken place in the 1940s and earlier. I would suggest changing the title of this article from "The 12th Street Riot" to "The 1967 Detroit Riots" which is what most people would recognize as the consensus name.
Also, the long absurd claim that it wasn't a race riot. B.S.! Everyone knew it was a race riot. The fact that blacks and whites were both killed proves nothing, in terms of substantiating this claim. Many buildings were painted with slogans like "Soul" "Black Owned" "Brother" during the riots. Many so painted avoided arson. Every person I know who lived there during the riots thought of them as primarily racial.
The author says it is sometimes considered a "rebellion". That only makes sense as a racial rebellion. Else what were people rebelling against? Every factor sighted in the "background" section is essentially racial.
I have removed the two paragrahps that, situated in the front of the article, convey the false impression that racial issues were not at the forefront of the Detroit Riots of 1967. They were.
I have removed the incorrect assertion that the federal troops were mostly black. The 82nd Airborne at no point has been 515 or more black.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.36.96.151 (talk) 20:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Caucasian
"Caucasian" is a proper noun and should always be capitalized. But anyway, since people outside the U.S. might not understand the term, it's probably better to just use "white."
[edit] Overkill
The word "black" appears in the article more than 60 times. I believe that most of the slain people were mixed-race colored people, some of them with Caucasian blood in their veins. People apply the word "black" excessively and sloppily in Wikipedia. Superslum 02:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- The term is used in a manner entirely consistent with common American English usage. Rmhermen 03:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Contradict tag
The article currently says there were over 7,500; 7,231; more than 1,800; or 1,800 arrests.
- Fixed. Tyronen 19:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Proximate Causes Don't Pass the Common Sense Test
I find it odd that discrimination and displacement are proposed as proximate causes for riots by blacks. Blacks are not the only group of people to have their homes raised to make way for freeways. There must be some other mechanism at work here.
- I believe that the article includes references to redlining,which is the practice of restricting bank loans for black residents to certain neighborhoods. While not the only factor -- police brutality is the major reason given my most poll responders -- certainly the housing lending laws mentioned, combined with the destruction of "redlined" areas, contributed to the riot. Twohlford 00:55, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I wonder how many of the respondents gave the answer "well, I thought I'd riot and justify it aftwards"?
194.46.186.113 (talk) 22:05, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Citations
It looks like a rather good article to me. However I think it could use a lot more citations of where all the info comes from. It would, in my opinion, lend greater validity to the article in many peoples eyes. Not that I am questioning it's validity particularly; it just needs more citations.Historiocality 00:10, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
- I started that process. I know I've seen source docs on this stuff, we just have to find them. Twohlford 02:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Rating?
So what would the Wiki ratings gurus like to see to improve this article? Twohlford 02:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
- To start, more inline citations and supporting material (images). After that maybe submit the article to WP:PR. --Elliskev 12:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Source problems for an account
Somewhere in the edits, you'll see that I removed the story of John Conyers trying to stop the riot found in "The Revolutionary Worker". Mysteriously, it reappeared. That story is not found elsewhere, and I suspect that Conyers would've told the story elsewhere if true. Without a collaborative source, and given the source, I'm inclined to pull this story from this piece. Twohlford 00:30, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] New Detroit Section?
Shouldn't we have a "Today" section talking about how detroit has made improvments. After all the entire city wasn't just abandoned and as most of you know who have been downtown in the last year it looks beautiful. Maybe show a picture of 12th street "Rosa parks street" of what it looks like today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.210.111.85 (talk) 22:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Pop culture refrences
was this the riot depicted in the 2007 film "Across the Universe" ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.243.138.32 (talk) 21:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Black Day in July
There was a song written by Gordon Lightfoot called "Black Day in July," which made reference to this event. Here is an article and interview about the song being banned on US radio. [1] Would someone who knows more about race riots be willing to incorporate this? Flibirigit (talk) 07:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- I should have mentioned expanding on the one sentence that is in there, and the censorship of the song. Flibirigit (talk) 07:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- There's also a Sam Roberts song called Detroit '67[2] that talks about the riot. 216.162.76.214 (talk) 05:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
