User talk:128.101.230.0

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[edit] December 2007

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This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did to Drive Like Jehu (album), you will be blocked from editing. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 00:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Just want to chime in...this user is correct about what it says on the label of the CD. The issue isn't that it's vandalism or the use of profanity, but rather that the text on the CD surface isn't really notable. --IllaZilla (talk) 00:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
In the context of an article about the CD, a description of the CD itself is by definition notable. Perhaps the track list or the album artwork is not notable either? If they are not notable, then what is the purpose of the article at all? 128.101.230.0 (talk) 01:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Let me chime in with WP:NNC - "Notability guidelines do not directly limit article content" - so I don't think notability is relevant here one way or another. Billgordon1099 (talk) 19:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
The album artwork identifies the object in question so that a reader knows what it looks like. The track list identifies the songs on the album, which are also important since we are discussing a musical piece. That doesn't make every bit of text on the packaging important to the article. For example, would you list everyone the band thanked in the liner notes in an encyclopedic article? Probably not. Sure, the "CDs really fucking blow" thing is funny and interesting to us as we are fans of the band, but it's not really important unless we're bringing it up in a larger section about the band's opinions on recording media or the state of the music industry. Otherwise it's basically trivia. To give a parallel example, in the Rocket from the Crypt album All Systems Go, on the inside left border of the CD tray insert, under the jewel case, it says "CD matrix humor...pretty dumb." Funny, sure, but not really notable in an encyclopedia article about the album. --IllaZilla (talk) 01:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I disagree. Suppose that the album were reissued without the same legend, or under-tray artwork. It would be worthwhile information to use in distinguishing the versions. Regardless, considering that 99% of Wikipedia articles on albums are a cover and a tracklist, any further information to be provided to flesh out the article is beneficial. It is not as if supplying a song-by-song review is legitimate. 128.101.230.0 (talk) 01:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Though I disagree that the possibility of a hypothetical future reissue is grounds for justifying including information in an article, I want to turn this into something more beneficial. Did the band somehow object to the album being released on CD? Did they make any statements about it that we could reference (ie. interviews)? Could we take this little bit of text and use it as an example in a section about the band's opinions on the industry? That would be much more substantial and have much more encyclopedic value than just having the phrase there for the sake of tacking more stuff onto the article. --IllaZilla (talk) 01:39, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
While I don't know that the band specifically gave interviews condemning the release of the album on CD, it is worthwhile to note that bands of a similar bent, for example Slint who are now referenced in the article, used similar legends on their CD surfaces. Either Tweez or Spiderland carries a notice to the effect that the album was intended to be listened to on vinyl, or sounds better on vinyl, I can't remember. As the article currently stands, the association of the phrase with DLJ's attitude about digital is made explicit. I suppose that it would be worth including in the main Drive Like Jehu article, but until there is a longer section about that there, the (album) article seems like a better place for it to me.
It's Spiderland. "This recording was meant to be listened to on vinyl."
There is also, I might add, the fact that the vinyl version of Yank Crime is on a 12" and a 7" record, a decision undertaken to preserve the audio quality of the vinyl release (with compressed grooves the whole album could have fit on one 12").