User talk:123.243.65.185

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Welcome, and thank you for experimenting with the page Guitar on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. MegX 01:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] August 2007

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Guitar. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. Miranda 02:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

If this is a shared IP address, and you didn't make the edit, consider creating an account for yourself so you can avoid further irrelevant notices.
Hi, I'm sorry but I've had to block you because of your widespread edit warring on the article Guitar. I don't wish to prevent the page from being edited by any other interested parties, so I have chosen to block the two parties involved rather than fully protect the article, which is regrettable. I have semi-protected the article to prevent either party from using an IP address to continue the edit war however. When the block expires, I urge you to try and overcome your differences on the article's talkpages, or if you would like assistance in dispute resolution or mediation, please don't hesitate to contact me. Best Wishes. Nick 02:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


Nothing to be sorry about, it is all a bit of adolescent mischief. It is embarrassing when outsiders see it. Name calling etc is not mature I guess. There are two issues here: the first is unrelated to the guitar page: it is about whether Iranian culture is a modern construct or not. As culturally insensitive as that might be, it was an issue that remained in the talk pages. She has been inconsistent in her claims: she seems not to have a problem with India or Greece as ancient nations for example.

However the main issue is the revert wars: I was told by another editor to correct the history part of the Guitar if I had references (and to stop my nagging!). This I did. Two things: one was the origins of the long necked plectrum in Susa and surrounding Mesopotamia. The other was the removal of the "Ancient Indian Sitara" from the text. Sitara is a made up word to sound like Guitarra. Indians had zithers that were called veena. The Indian Sitar was named after the Persian sehtar during the medeival mughal empire. This is even acknowledged in the link to the Sitar article in Wikipedia (I guess soon to be also vandalized to prove me wrong). I even kept the reference to Kithara, even though the Kithara is a lyre and not a lute and can not reasonably be though of as the antecedent of guitar. My references are from an ethnomusicology organisation in France: Maison des Cultures du Monde (http://www.mcm.asso.fr/site02/accueil.htm) in particular http://mcm.bois.free.fr/booklet260110.pdf page 28, and the other from the Cornell University's Encyclopedia Iranica found at www.iranica.com. I have also used http://www.etymonline.com/ and kept all the referenced materials from before. I use wikipedia as a source of information for a lot of things, but before I got myself involved in the last few days I did not realise how unreliable and arbitrary it is. Someone who has been editing a page for a while feels as though it is their personal fief and is prepared to attack other cultures and races just to maintain some level of control. I got involved when I saw on the talk pages how she had bullied some other person by denying the existance of Ancient Iran. I don't feel strongly about the subject matter, but I feel as though she is not sufficiently qualified to censor material from wikipedia, and I hate bullies.


The reason I don't sign my name is simple. Here is an example from MegX stalking me in Australia-Talk:


Our constitution unlike that of that of France does nor delineate an official language, but English is our de facto official language and lingua franca. There is no point saying any other language even remotely has any official recognition. Other languages are rarely used out of a particular ethnic community.

       "Our constitution"? You claim that Iran is your culture and that you're Iranian. We're talking here Australia not Iran. Make up your mind. Please sign your posts in future. MegX 23:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Which means that in addition to having no history according to her earlier posts, I have not a right to speech or citizenship rights either. Admittedly I lashed out and went around posting insults.