Talk:ǂHõã language

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[edit] How do you say it

How are we suppose to know how to say this word? please add some help.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 01:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "more accurately ǂQhôã"

Says who? References needed for this, otherwise it looks like original research. 86.132.138.205 12:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Uvular click?

In the introduction, it says that this language has a Uvular click. Unfortunately, it was discovered around the 1950s that, to make a click, the back of the tongue touches the velum to close the mouth off while making the click. Velar clicks, for this reason, are anatomically impossible. The uvula is even behind the velum, making it (if this were possible) even more impossible. —Nay 3 March 2008

If the tongue touches the velum, then that's a velar click. kwami (talk) 21:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

But read what John Wells wrote about the velar click in his phonetic blog, recently. So I actually do agree with what Nay said above. Clicks naturally involve a second point of articulation, which is the velum, hence the common IPA practice of writing [kǃ] or [ɡǃ] (and so on) for the plain clicks. When I try to produce a "velar click", the outcome seems to be a velar implosive [ɠ] instead. — N-true (talk) 22:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I think I misunderstood everything. I totally overlooked that the second articulation for clicks can also be uvular. — N-true (talk) 22:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I remember that symbol. Hopefully the click article is clearer about what a 'velar/uvular click' means. If not, we need to clean it up. (Precisely for the reasons Wells gives, no-one uses the phrase 'velar click' to mean what turned k was supposed to represent.) kwami (talk) 22:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

If I understood well, the clicks themselves aren't uvular but the sounds that accompany them. But even so, sounds like [qǀχ] are very hard to pronounce. I tried and still have a sore uvula. By the way, [ˀŋʘ] sounds a lot like you're kissing. Nice language, really :-). Steinbach (fka Caesarion) 09:50, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The sound that accompanies it is the click. You can't have a click without at least two places of articulation. If Nǀu is representative of southern Africa, [ǀ] is a uvular click, and [ǀq] is a uvular click-plosive contour. kwami (talk) 20:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)