Talk:Şanlıurfa
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what the fuck are you talking about??
show me one fucking kurd ın Urfa and i will give you my ass. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.102.218.94 (talk • contribs) 08:25, 29 May 2006.
- Abdullah Ocalan is from Urfa—Now can we have what you promised? Ozgur Gerilla 00:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
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- lol :) Baristarim 04:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- Ocalan is from Halfeti, not from Urfa. The Urfa mentioned in the article is the city of Urfa (having 350,000 population). Urfa province has 1,700,000 population and contains many Kurds and Arabs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.240.123.102 (talk) 12:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Syriac
Elias - regarding your comment "yeah, and he (John Joseph) has been caught falsifying history in his books several time by historian Richard Frye, he's certainly unreliable, even though he holds a PhD". John Joseph and Richard Frye are both professional historians and they have engaged in an academic debate. Richard Frye disagrees with John Joseph's conclusions, but he has not accused him of "falsifying history". The wikipedia guidelines do prefer Joseph over Aprim, so replacing Joseph is improper on that point alone.
In any case, for the issue here, it is not important if Frye or Joseph is correct.
The question is not whether "Syriac/Syrian" and "Assyrian" have the same etymological origins. The point is that in Arabic and English, the words have different meanings. Even if they came from the same root (Frye) or if they came from different roots (Joseph), today the meanings are different. This can be seen in the fact that in Arabic and English there are different words (the Arabic roots "Suryan" and "Athur").
The neighborhood is called "Hay al-Suryan", because "Suryan", ie Syriac Orthodox Christians (not Chaldeans etc.), live there. It doesn't say anything about the ethnicity of the people.
If you want an analogy, think about the words Latin and Latino -- you can even consider Ladino if it will help you. Same origins, but quite different meanings (sure, it's not a perfect analogy, but you get my point).
