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[edit] Wii Sales?

Can someone please add sales totals for the Wii version? It currently only has PS2 sales and it would be interesting to compare. Many thanks.

[edit] Amaterasu's Gender Indeterminate?

I'm not so sure it would be good to state an assumption about Amaterasu's gender on the wiki page. Even if it's based on artwork for "Golden Fury", artwork isn't quite the best source for information as nothing is directly stated. In the game, the wolf lifts its leg to perform "Golden Fury". In real life, only the alpha male does this in a wolf pack (and females and subordinate males squat). Amaterasu is referred to as a mother (as the embodiment of the reincarnation) and many times as a he. With the vagueness of gender reference in Japanese language, the gender might not be specified at all. Or it could be the same, alternating between male and female references. Gods have been just as capable as Goddesses of being "mothers" and "sources of life" in mythology.

I'm not saying I know for a fact Oukami Amaterasu is female/male/both/neither/indeterminate or anything, but I think that the quip about it being a female shouldn't be there as a "safe to assume" fact. I'm hesitant to remove it myself, because of my lack of evidence. At the same time, no definite sources on the information (other than concept artwork) have been cited yet. If someone puts up a definite citation, I'll be content. :) Accelagirl 16:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Amaterasu is a goddess. It is well acknowledged that Amaterasu is female. However, in the translation process, it was deemed that Amaterasu should be mostly treated as gender-neutral and the use of the word "he" was due to it being the best term ("it" usually refers to inanimate objects). There's an article somewhere on IGN, but I can't find it right now. ~ Oni Lukos ct 22:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
God/Goddess reincarnates often come in different genders in Japanese (and any other) folklore; Amaterasu is definetely female, but I wasn't sure if Oukami Amaterasu the wolf would have been. Accelagirl 21:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Kya? When was Ammy referred to as a he?72.231.145.5 10:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Note the English manual specifically says "Though deliberately written to be a genderless character in the game...", pg 34. Masem 02:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

There is a line in the game that says "Ammy is sensitive about her flaws.". Her flaws, that is. I just now as of this writing saw it after speaking to Rao after escaping from the water dragon. It probably doesn't mean anything, but I thought it would be interesting to know. PiccoloNamek 03:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

If that's worth saying, it should also be worth noting how Tobi refers to Ammy as Good Sir and how Susano, after defeating Orochi, refers to Ammy as Brother. And I really don't think it matters who said what. All in all, I'd say that the Amaterasu of this game's gender is determined by who sees Ammy, and seeing as how Ammy was brough back in the body of a statue, I'd say it's credible enough to refer to Ammy as an "it". Besides, seeing as how Shiranui was even referred to as an "it" in the opening prolouge of the game, and since Amaterasu and Shiranui are one and the same, I don't see the need to not call Ammy "it"
Agreed, except that in English language identifying something as an it has rather negative connotations -- people more easily associate with "he"s and "she"s. --Stratadrake 01:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, Yatsu (I think it was Yatsu anyway) says that he sees Ammy's true form as "a fair maiden". (I may not have th exact words, but that's the gist of it anyway.) -- Just an anonymouse

Well, I DO know Shiranui's a boy. However, Amaterasu, as a goddess, is female. She's both, at this point, with her true form being female(as said above), her incarnation is male.

Just to point something out: When you first go to see Ishaku (at least I think that's how you spell it) in the Poncle village he calls you Ammy. So technically Shiranui was the name given to Amaterasu by the villagers. They could have assumed that Amaterasu/Shiranui was male. ~Rainpaw

Ammy is OFFICIALLY genderless.

Can somebody work this into the article? Ammy is officially genderless, according to a 1up interview with Capcom localization producer David Crislip @ [1]. The female thing only arose due to localization issues.

1UP: What other sort of things went on behind the scenes in localizing Okami?

DC: Here's a few tidbits. Issun the character has a specific nickname for Amaterasu in the Japanese version where he calls her -- or I should say "him." I shouldn't say her. Actually that's one thing I should mention R&D is very adamant about making Amaterasu genderless, which made localization very hard. Because we use pronouns a lot: he, she.

1UP: And Amaterasu is supposed to be a goddess.

DC: Yeah, and in traditional lore, the Amaterasu of those stories is definitely a sun goddess. But I guess the point Kamiya was trying to make is that this character is called Amaterasu, but it's not necessarily the Amaterasu. Because if you go by proper legend, Susano is Amaterasu's brother, and Tsukiyomi, which is actually a sword in the game, is one of their siblings.

1UP: So it's an embodiment, and genderless Amaterasu...

DC: Right, they're taking the names and general themes, but it's not necessarily the Amaterasu, it's a character named Amaterasu. For the European versions, I think they'll have to go ahead and make it a female because it'll be too hard to write around that. But for English, that was really difficult because we couldn't use he or she, and we didn't want to use "Amaterasu" every time we mentioned the character's name.

1UP: And you didn't want to use "it."

DC: Exactly. So we used "the wolf," "the god," things like that. There were ways around it, but it wasn't easy. But speaking of that, it leads me to what I was saying about Issun. In the Japanese version, Issun refers to Amaterasu as Ammako, and we were struggling with what to do with that in English. Adding 'ko" to the end of something doesn't make sense to an English speaker. But Kamiya actually thought of "Ammy" himself so people wouldn't mispronounce it as "Amy." And feeling-wise, it's very, very close to the way it would sound to a Japanese speaker.

[edit] Nippon

"Nippon" is the Japanese word for Japan. As such, its redendent saying its set in Nippon during the Japanese classical period for it is redundency. 72.81.9.212 16:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Similarities to Zelda: Unnecessary?

Something just doesn't seem right about that portion of the entry. If it were just a passing comment in one of the other sections that would be fine, but an entirely new section seems a little extreme. Comments like: "Smashable pots" in relation to the Zelda series is rediculous. Thats like comparing almost every FPS to Goldeneye because they both have exploding barrels. Almost sounds like fanboyism. --MajorCOW 22:20, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it's fair to mention that Okami and Zelda have a number of similar elements, such that most reviews can be summarized as "Zelda for PS2". But there doesn't need to be a breakdown exactly of every commonality - it's just that "Zelda for PS2" alone should adequetely get across the type of game it is rather well. If such a list becomes necessary, that probably should fall under the Reviews or Critiques section, but outside of Gameplay --Masem 8:30, 12 October 2006

It seems kinda inappropriate. Zelda is not a genre, and there are many, many games with the same basic gameplay, because they are in the same genre. Putting it near the top of the article makes it seem like it's an important thing to mention, when it really isn't. If anything, a simple line under reviews, "compared to Legend of Zelda" or something would be much, much more appropriate. As it stands, it seems like fanboyism, and if the comparison is REALLY noteworthy, it should probably be cross-referanced into Zelda articles.
Directly comparing it to The Twilight Princess almost makes it sound like they're making it out to be a ripoff, which would be virtually impossible, since both weren't revealed to the public until E3 2005. WtW-Suzaku 07:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese Sales

The game sold horribly in japan(at least initially), anyone have anymore detailed information about that? Hitmaker 00:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


  • curious* Not only that, but how well did it sell in America?

[edit] okami

what is the story line ? if you think about it , it is actullay about those gods who are trying to bring back the color of the world.

But, until now there are no further info about all this , what we know is so littele , wich makes us think , maybe the game does not offer to much ? ..........

I actually know absolutely nothing about the storyline, but based on the OST, the main villian is a "Lord of Eternal Darkness", while one of the ending themes is "Okami White Light Majesty"..color makes sense then, since black is the absence of color and white is all the colors in the spectrum.—ウルタプ 22:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Is the story line supposed to be written in present or in past tense? Please choose one or the other.

We can find a little bit about the story line reading something about the Japan Mythology. Betum (talk) 18:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

According to the Fiction guidelines for Wikipedia, the plots for fiction articles should always be in present tense.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 04:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Release date

Whoever is changing the date for the U.S to September 20, please stop. Both GameInformer and Gamestop say it is coming out the 5th, several American magazines have already reviewed it, they ussually dont get games that far in advance,thank you.

I reverted the dates back to the 19th. Both IGN and GameSpot both have their release dates on the 19th. And besides, magazines aren't up-to-date with their news. --Snkcube 07:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Err, IGN isn't always right. Alot of DS games have the release date as December 31 in Japan, when most of those games are already out in Japan. I've found that GameInformer and Gamestop ussualy get their dates correct. -- DaxterKing

I'm starting to believe that the 19th is the correct date. GameFAQs and even Game Informer (check their site) also have the 19th as its release date. And also, GameStop has its release date on the 19th as well. --Snkcube 08:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Capcom has stated on their US website, under the release dates section, that Okami will be released in America on the 19th of September. The Publisher is to be believed above all other sources as they determine when a game is going to be released. [2] --VerasGunn

Ok, guess I was wrong. The latest issue of GI said the 5th and Gamestop just changed the date.Sorry-- DaxterKing

It's not a big deal. People make mistakes. ;) --Snkcube 07:33, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Story

Isn't Amaterasu a reincarnation of Shiranui, not the god/dess him/herself?

It states in the game that OKami is the reborn Shiranui, but the godess gave the last of her strength to him =/

  • She's both. <_<
  • Amateratsu was Shiranui, and is. Before the game, she was the original wolf whom the villagers named Shiranui. She is brought back by means of Sakuya, a Wood nymph, who uses the last of her power to bring Amateratsu back into the physical world.
  • the white wolf did not choose the target of the sacrifice as stated, it patrolled the village at night and its motives were unknown.

[edit] where's the "this is about a product not out yet" thing at the top?

this is usually here but its not anymore its coming out the 19th so it should be there until its out

  • Looks like we need not worry now!

[edit] Buddha Board/ Art Board

"For those who preordered the game, the game came with a limited edition art board/buddha."

The Buddha Board/ Art Board was a preorder special only from EB Games and Gamestop. If the game was preodered else where, it never came with Art board / Buddha Board. I would change this myself but I lack resources to prove this.

You're right about the pre-order special only from those two stores. I re-worded the sentence so it makes more sense. --Snkcube 07:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia changes

I don't find the recent change of the Trivia section necessary. There are numerous parodies, cameos, and tie ins to numerous games. Many of which are extremely precise and tying them all under a single statement seems to go against the point of that entire section. Am I the only one that feels this way? VerasGunn 21:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe, but on the other hand, trivia sections should be used sparingly. Having a list of unincorporated (if exact) quotes tends to encourage people to expand it with just about every funny line and reference they encounter, which in turn can result in a rather large trivia section. --Stratadrake 12:45, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Okay, that is understandable. I thank you for answering my question. VerasGunn 06:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Though if you want, specifically mentioning just one or two of the references (e.g., "such as the 'Let's rock, baby!' ") shouldn't hurt any.... --Stratadrake 12:37, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Would a "List of characters in Ōkami" article be appropriate?

The game has quite a large number of characters, and it could make this article look cluttered.24.97.33.132 15:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Yes, a "Characters in Ōkami" article would be great, because as the person above me said, listing more than just the main characters would definitely make the main article cluttered. Go for it! If nobody does it, I'm up for the challenge. Accelagirl 16:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Donezors, though it's very stubby right now. I plan for the format to be "Character [Title]". So "Sakuya [Wood Sprite]". Like that. Glad someone liked the idea. WVI 17:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Given the nature of the game, borrowing heavily from Japanese mythology and history, I think that minor characters that can be linked to other Wikipedia articles that explain the origin of the character would be wise. (eg the Bamboo daughter, or the 1000 swords guy (names slip right now) - both have minor roles but have already been linked into the knowledge already here. But all minor characters, as noted, would be silly - there's probably too many to start with. Masem 15:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Ōkami has a lot of characters regardless. >_> It'd still clutter.WVI 02:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] demo featured in OPM

It strikes me as odd that above the content box it is noted that a demo of the game was featured in two copies of Official PlayStation Magazine. This has nothing to do with the game itself. I will delete it. If anyone disagrees, say so.--Soetermans 20:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why the hell it'd be a problem. 24.97.33.132 14:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I didn't say it's a problem, I say it doesn't fit in an encyclopedia. It resembles advertising aswell. I'm against it, but one might put a note at the bottom, but this was right above the content box, if it were more important. --Soetermans 21:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brush technique tables

I added two tables for the vary brush techniques (the 13 Celestial ones, and the others that you use otherwise). I know there's more information that can be added which I don't have access to presently; for the 13 techniques, I think the name of the god that gave them to Ammy, the name of the technique, the kanji used (which is listed in the manual), and maybe an example picture for each. Similar ideas for the second table, though as these aren't part of the Celestial Techiques, they won't have the same stuff (like the god granting it to Ammy). Masem 16:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

The Celestial Techniques are brush techniques from the 15 brush gods. So the Sun and Moon technique belong in this category. Amaterasu is one of the brush gods. Nobody gave her the Sun technique because this is her own unique ability as a brush god. The brush god Yumigami gave Ammy the Moon technique to use. My source: the official strategy guide from Brady games. Rumpelstiltzkin 01:14, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
15 seems off - I can't find a good list of which constellations that you unlock and what they give you, however, I am pretty sure that the animals that represent the gods number 13 - the Chinese Zodiac with the addition of the cat (yeah, too much Fruits Basket for me). Plus I distinctly remember Issun saying that there were 13 Celestial Techniques that he's after. The manual lists 12 gods in the back (p37). I also popped the game back in at a late save, and the information on says that, for example, the Sunrise stroke is a "Celestial Brush power". In other words, I think there is a distinction between god-granted techniques aka the Celestial Techniques, and those that you can do with the brush, and some of the helper ones you learn. Masem 02:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Aaaaannd never mind, I see where it is. The 3 greenery ones would be grouped as one overall technique (with three methods of invocation) as to keep the number 13 in mind. I believe I've ID'd all the zodiac animals correctly, the only two I can't tell without going back and playing the game would be Cresent and Blizzard, which, after Iding the rest, is between rabbit and boar, and I'm pretty sure the boar was last. Masem 02:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Aannnd never mind x2 - manual confirms that "rabbit on the moon" (tying in with how I've got it now in the table) is correct.Masem 02:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey, great job cleaning up the table. Now if we can only get screenshots of the techniques... 'Fraid that's beyond my jurisdiction. Need to seriously upgrate my computer. Rumpelstiltzkin 05:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Not to be a nag, but is a complete table even necessary to begin with? Wikipedia is not a videogame guide. While this certainly isn't on the level of, say, describing a game's particular controller button mappings, it strikes me as pretty indiscriminate. --Stratadrake 12:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I've seen other game pages on wiki that have a basic list and description of the powers/abilities, etc. (Pyschonauts, for example). Also, there are ways to link up some of the mythology aspects with other articles on Wikipedia, similar to what I suggested about minor characters above - eg these have a story and/or reason, and here's what it is. But I don't believe we need anything more beyond this in terms of game play detail. But that's partially the reason I made this block it's own section - if it's decided it's too much for Wiki, it can be cut and pasted elsewhere without too much work. Masem 13:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I see -- though I don't totally agree on the subject of listing everything. For comparison, do we really need a list of all the bosses, or can we trim it down to the really significant ones and integrate them with the article's context? --Stratadrake 12:37, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I think looking at the Windwaker article (since the size and scope of the two games are similar) for ideas where to take Okami's entry is worthwhile. The WW article (which I note is FA-rated) has two sub pages for weapons/items and for characters. Obviously, with the minimal amount of time this game's been out compared to WW, we're still a good ways away from having full lists. (Plus I don't think there's as many Okami fanatics yet as there are Zelda ones to keep playing and dig up all the names and the like). We could make these sub pages now, one for characters, one for items and powers, but they'd be rather sparse, but this would allow for expansion beyond what would be there for cluttering up the main Okami page. As the lists are presently, I think they're pretty good, nowhere near exhaustive, but give a start for someone looking into Okami's mythology references.Masem 15:27, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey, the tables say that making constellations isn't a brush stroke technique. But it is. It is the Sunrise technique. The Sunrise technique allows you to make stars (the sun is a star) and you have it at the beginning of the game. -- Anon, 22 October 2006

Right argument, wrong technique. The Sunrise technique is only used to draw the Sun, not just any old star. When you fill in a constellation, you are using Rejuvenation, the same technique you use to repair a bridge or complete a watermill. 210.216.45.65 16:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC) Anonymous

[edit] Metacritic link

Should I have added metacritic's entry for Okami in the External links? I'm unfamiliar with the policy of wiki in regards to such sites. --Havermayer 20:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Game references - listcruft or not

As noted by Stratadrake,the question is, is all the game references (even if pulled out of trivia and it's own section like I did) listcruft or not. Now, I note a lot of gaming wiki article have references of a game in other games but not references of a game in the present one, or at least not as common, which is the reverse of what we've got here so far. I think it's fair to reduce that list down to say something like "Okami has references to many other Capcom titles, including (list)", add a wiki comment that no addition references should be spelled out in Okami, but instead added to the appropriate game (so, like all the Viewtiful Joe refs should be in that article).Masem 05:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Previously, I remember taking out all those references and summarizing them as "Okami makes several references to other Capcom titles" (see previous topic above about trivia). Trivia-type sections are a double-edged sword in that they are an easy place for beginner editors, but because of it they have a tendency to accumulate useless tidbits and cruft. As for which article should mention a specific reference and how, that's a bit hard to call; A alludes or makes a reference to B; if B is something that is often alluded to (e.g., Who's on First?), the reference is mentioned in B; but if B is something not referred to very often, or if A is notable for its making allusions to other topics, then listing the reference in B may seem out of place. Overall, it's a matter of how important to the overall article the game references are -- it is notable that Okami draws so much from Japanese mythos; but how notable its minor references to other Capcom-made games is, that is the question. --Stratadrake 13:19, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Or, as the same issue was phrased regarding Mario Kart DS, Trivia sections are not a place for ordinary "random observations". For example, something like:
*Kaguya has a dome on her head, which might be a
reference to Arieta from [[Cyberbots]].
if it is just a possible (i.e. unconfirmed) reference, simply does NOT belong (Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought or a crystal ball). Lack of verifiability is also one of the arguments against Trivia sections. --Stratadrake 13:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I definitely don't disagree with that, because as noted, the references in Okami are not like appearances of other characters (as most VG references are), but moves and actions that are similar to other games. The Viewtiful Joe references are unmistakable, but the others (as best as I know) are like "Hmm, that could be referring to...", and thus I agree I think that for wiki standards, it should be condensed down to a single line: Okami references many other Capcom games, notably Viewtiful Joe. (if necessary, support for that can be ref'd to the bottom of the page). If any other the vg refs can be proven better, then they can be added to that statement, but again, specific details in refs if they are needed. I agree that this article should be more on the mythology that Okami provides; the vg references are 'hey, cool' bonuses but can be listcruft if every single one is listed.Masem 14:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Okay then, summarizing the items up now. Just wait, someone will probably revert it and unleash the edit wars. --Stratadrake 04:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I put in an inline HTML comment there, ref'ing to the talk page, and warning that any added game will be deleted.Masem 23:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested Move

I don't see any reason for the move. "Okami" outside of the video game sense seems to be a word to describe wolves, but not a specific kind of wolf or the like, so it otherwise lakes the specificity to be it's own topic. Mind you, if there's a specific reason to have a different "Okami" article, then the move makes sense, but I don't see that yet.Masem 19:42, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. It's the Japanese word for wolf, but it's not used at all in English. Also, can we delete this article, move back the one with the video game suffix and then revert it so we can get the history back? I don't know where I'd bring that to an admin's attention. ~ Oni Lukos ct 20:04, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
The only reason this happened is because somebody moved it without bothering to discuss it first, then converted the old page into a disambig (which, of course, blocks reverting a pagemove). The previous version used Okami as a disambig page between Japanese wolf and the game, but you don't need a disambiguation page for just two articles, the inline disambig notice is enough.
Admin assistance is definitely needed to repair the article's page history though, I'll go look them up... for reference, the relevant page is WP:SPLICE. --Stratadrake 20:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Edit history restored. Tim! 21:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
That still leaves the Talkpage's history to cleanup, but nevermind that -- stuffing that into an archivebox, and the end result will be hardly any different from normal page-move archiving. --Stratadrake 22:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inaba

I made a tiny addition to Inaba bullet point mentioning the rabbit Inaba can be seen at the same time as the creators name during the credits. It's just one sentence i doubted it would matter at all i just wanted to bring it to attention in case someone felt it didn't deserve a place in the paragraph.

[edit] PAL release date

IGN is not a good source, It probably won`t come out feb 02 in pal regions. We need more info. user:EEVEE103

[edit] Question - Brush Techniques

Is the Brush techniques (in the gameplay section) really needed? Wikipedia isn't a game guide, it's an encyclopedia. I can understand small notes about it, but not a full table. RobJ1981 06:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I think it's notable to summarize how some of them are used in gameplay (e.g. puzzle-solving), but a full list of them is pretty indiscriminate and something more at home in a strategy guide than encyclopedia. --Stratadrake 13:22, 8 December 2006
I definitely can't disagree that it could be taken as more guide-like than encyclopedia like, but I know some other video game articles have a lot more in-depth coverage. Alternatively, and going back to an older suggestion, is that we could turn it around, and have information about the Celestial Brush gods, and what powers they grant (but no description of the brush strokes or the breakdowns), and stick that in with the Minor Characters as a sub-section (again, worth noting that they're based on the Chinese Zodiac, etc.). However, with that, I would then propose that the Characters in Okami be moved to a separate page to avoid excess page length. --Masem 16:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with a character split page. Okami is popular enough to justify that page, so this page isn't flooded with that information. RobJ1981 18:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I might have to dissagree with removing the table. While the game is well known, it doesn't mean we should exclude information just because some people would like to know things more in-depth. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mimic12455 (talk • contribs) 01:13, 18 December 2006 (UTC).

As I saw no objections, I've taken out the Brush Technique table, but put the Brush Gods in as a minor character section. The only remaining step is if we should still take the characters to a separate page. --Masem 17:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reviews section

Is it really required to list so many review scores? Many other articles usually mention the most well known of sources. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stabby Joe (talk • contribs) 19:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] IGN GOTY

Isn't it kind of weird how Okami won game of the year on IGN when it didn't even win best PS2 game of the year?RammaYB 21:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

*yawns* --Stratadrake 02:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Eh, they're like that sometimes. I mean, take a look at Matt Kissassamassi--er, Casamassina. Total fanboy through and through. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.62.64.131 (talk) 04:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC).
See Gears of War, there is no problem an introduction citing the gaming of the year award.--Ciao 90 11:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Just highlighting this section as there's an editing war going on over that single line in the introduction. I myself believe that while it is duplicating information, it's no different from other game articles that have awards and other (cited) praise for the game in the intro section, expanded upon later. Maybe as the sentence stands, it comes off as just a random bit of information, and could read "Despite poor sales and the closure of Clover Studios shortly after it's release, Okami has received high reviews and won the IGN 2006 Game of the Year.". (It doesn't have to be that, just a sense of what I think should be said). --Masem 14:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
It is very random quick sentance for an intro, if you want it added then do involve it more as said above and please do (the GoW award bit is also been removed) other wise its no different from a quick line saying "It has a wolf in it". --Stabby Joe 15:18, 26 February 2007 (GMT)

[edit] Sales info

I've seen several gaming magazines saying that despite all the critical love, Okami didn't make hardly any dents in the sales charts (either for Japan or the US). For Okami to turn out like another Ico, this really needs mention. Got figures? --Stratadrake 18:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the company that claims to have the most accurate tracking data for games, NPD, doesn't put out info for the public. I'd say it's say to cite the magazines that say sales were dismal for the time being. --Masem 18:48, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Official PlayStation Magazine's final print issue cited Okami as selling about 66,000 or so copies in Japan (in what time span I forget) and taking a long time (plus pricing markdowns) before it reached even the 100,000 mark, labelling it as a number below which something is usually labelled a commercial failure. OPM has a website, but I've yet to locate the same info online. --Stratadrake 19:39, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Still on the hunt for news about Okami's sales. No confirmed numbers being stated, but some of the more interesting things:

[3], [4] - Rumors of Okami on Wii or 360 [5] - Inaba hints at poor sales in Japan [6] - Spong.com describes Okami as "17th" [7] - Gamasutra - Okami debuted #6 in Japan --Stratadrake 04:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Statement from Official Playstation Magazine, January 2007 issue, "JTown" section. I don't have the issue on hand, but I remember it saying something like:

Okami was a failure in Japan, where it didn't even make a dent in the sales charts.  Only after
extreme discounting did it pass 66,000 copies; in a country with tens of millions of PS2's,
anything less than 100,000 is considered a failure.

--Stratadrake 19:53, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Screenshots! Screenshots! Screenshots!

I've got a fever, and the only cure is MORE SCREENSHOTS! A HUGE part of Okami is the visual style of the game, failing to include a single screenshot in an article about this game is really a hindrance!

Seriously, this article needs MORE SCREENSHOTS!

PyroGamer 15:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I totally agreed the article states the beauty of the graphics but doesn't have any screenshots... a bit odd

It would be against Wikipedia's policy to grab them from videos, am I right (like from a video on IGN)? Filovirus 18:16, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
The copyright holder of the screenshot (Clover/Capcom) won't change, so it doesn't really matter how the screenshot is obtained. We do require that the screenshot not be watermarked, however. Pagrashtak 20:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
If no one can get a screenshot that doesn't have a watermark, would it be acceptable to crop one that does? --Filovirus 07:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
It's not a problem getting screenshots, the question is what do you feel is still missing? Since the above request, I've added a couple from gameplay which does identify the watercolor painting style in addition to covering other elements, so what else is needed? --MASEM 12:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Huh?

"Electronic Gaming Monthly gave it a 9/9.5/9 out of ten"

Needs to be re-worded -- Unsigned comment

EGM has three reviewers, and I don't believe they normally average out the three scores. --Masem 09:43, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Rephrasing done. --Stratadrake 15:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stray Bead Section

Some people, myself included, have great difficulty finding all the stray beads. Maybe it would be beneficial to include a section about stray beads. There are 100 stray beads littered across the different areas of the game, but they are NOT easy to find. I'm positive that there could be some people who come and view this article that would greatly appreciate a list of the stray beads and their exact locations. It may be difficult to compile a list working alone, but I believe there are lists out there somewhere, I just can't find one!! Just what I think might help out the article from my point of view.Darres vampire 16:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a game guide (see WP:NOT#IINFO); if you need a guide, try this one off GameFaqs: [8]. --Masem 23:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Legends

I added a bunch of links to articles not made about any possible Japanese legends. I am requesting that somebody does some research and at the very least make the articles stubs. If there is no legend associated with that character, one should revert the link to just text. I hope you understand me. --Eiyuu Kou 16:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese name

The Japanese word for wolf is also Ōkami - 狼. As the player is both a wolf and a god, is there any proof that the game's title refers to "great god" as claimed in the article rather than "wolf"? Or perhaps it is a pun? Dracker 17:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

It is a pun.　Also, try looking up 大神 on Google. All you'll get is results for the game. Also, watch any of the Japanese trailers. ~ Oni Lukos ct 17:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Red Markings - Kabuki Kumadori

Are the red markings on the Gods worth mentioning that they resemble that of a Kabuki Kumadori? In my opinion, it is.
--BryghtShadow 17:27, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Can you provide non-original research that says that's the case? I've taken a lot of care to get the article to a GAC, I just want to make sure what's added falls within GA candidacy requirements. --Masem 17:44, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article Review – Pass

See Good Article Criteria for further details.

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  5. It is stable.
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
  7. Overall:
    a Pass/Fail:

Overall, this is a pretty nice article which is bursting full of references. The plot rehash section is nicely trimmed to explain the significant facts, and not the tiny minor details. Nicely enriched with images, and neutral altogether. Great game and good work. NSR77 TC 18:01, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Going for the FA

I'm going to try to pass this article as an FA; I don't see anything that fails the immediate guidelines, and I really don't see much else that could be added to "complete" the article further. --Masem 14:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all the help, folks - Okami is now an FA! --Masem 23:05, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Mega-congratulations to y'all. It's amazing to think that not long ago when I peer reviewed this article it was only start-class! Una LagunaTalk 06:02, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Well thats just the thing you see, there are actually plenty of other articles that are a better quality status but aren't known for it due to a lack of peer reviews. Stabby Joe 12:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wii Rumor

I don't see any notable sources with the Wii-port rumor. I highly doubt a game that sold under 300,000 copies on the system with the world's largest install base will be ported to a system with less than 1/10th the number of systems. Call me crazy, but this game contributed to the closing of Clover, Capcom are not financial retards. 70.71.197.16 02:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Eurogamer's reported it, I consider them credable. --MASEM 03:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
It's been confirmed, I've got a source or two or three if you would like them. Filovirus 18:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RV

Very recently, there was a change to the article removing a little of the information about the Nintendo Wii's version of Okami. It was done by an IP adress that has done some vandalization in the past, and I don't see why it should have been deleted. I am just going to go ahead and revert this, if it really doesn't belong, just RV it back. It was minor anyway. Check here, to see what I mean; Okami latest history Thanks! Mizu onna sango15 02:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the edit is reasonable: we have no confirmation that the Brush will be controlled by the Wii Remote (stupid if it isn't, but we're here for verification, not speculation). --MASEM 03:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spoilers?

I see no spoiler alert, however the story section seems to summarize the entire game.

WP does not use spoilers. --MASEM 23:55, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inclusion of C. Brush gods list

User:Hue03 added a collapsible table of the Celestial Brush gods under characters. While I think there's something good about doing this, I don't know for sure if it's really needed; making it collapsible helps, but if we include the C. Brush gods, whats to start us from adding other minor characters? Any other thoughts on this? --MASEM 18:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Naming convention of article title.

Has there been a discussion as to why this article is allowed to break, Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)? I don't see it here nor in the archive.

There was some discussion here #Requested_Move but not sure if that's completely related. Also the basis for moving it from Okami in that article's history says Okami has been moved to Ōkami.: see the logo. However I don't think that is reason to break naming convention. Strongsauce (talk) 17:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

It follows from MOS:JAPAN, in that article names should be the macron version, with the non-macron version redirected to it. --MASEM 18:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seen in South Park

When Stan goes to the video game store in the South Park episode "Guitar Queer-O", the shelves behind the counter are all full of Okami boxes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.71.175.5 (talk) 06:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] IGN Logo?

http://kotaku.com/381846/ign-watermark-in-okami-cover-art http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/20/uh-ohkami-capcom-botches-okami-wii-box-art-inadvertently-adver/

Anyone fancy putting this into the article somewhere? Ixistant (talk) 19:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it yet merits (mind you, the sourcing is fine). It's a "oops" but nothing that really has made an effect yet. --MASEM 19:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
It should probably go near the section where it mentions the Ready at Dawn was forced to recreate art from scratch. Clearly they also scavenged the old art wherever they could find it. 69.114.83.91 (talk) 04:45, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Capcom released three new box art designs for people to pick that they will send them in place of the IGN cover. [9] - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wii version removes references to original developers?

I hear that the clovers were removed and the credits were edited. --68.161.161.206 (talk) 04:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

If you mean the clovers you can find in the game, they are still present in the Wii version. --IanOsgood (talk) 19:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] NA Wii Sales?

Does anyone have any numbers on the sales of Okami for the Wii in North America? I have been looking and have yet to find anything. I assume is was lukewarm as far as sales go? Ryne11 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 05:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)