Talk:Łazienki Park
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Sitting on "Ujazdowski avenues?" Is there more than one Ujazdowski avenue? KP Botany 20:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ujazdów Castle in Łazienki (Łazienkach)?
The following pasted from talk pages ... Stumps (talk) 23:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- You have added a section on Ujazdów to the Łazienki Park article? Ujazdów is the contemporary art gallery, yes? I would have said that it it isn't really 'in' Łazienki, given the current boundaries of the park - where the fences and gates are. You have to leave the park to get to Ujazdów. Perhaps we could have a 'see also' section of neighbouring attractions such as the Botanical Gardens, and list Ujazdów there? Stumps (talk) 11:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- See: Plan of the Łazienki Park Martim33 (talk) 11:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply and the link to the map ... yes, after emailng you I did realize that as you walk down towards Torwar amd the sporting stadiums in Łazienkowska etc that the parkland is still described as the Royal Park, and in theory it is possible to climb up the steps to Ujazdowski ... however I seem to recall that the ascent has been closed for a long time (safety perhaps??) ... I no longer live in Warsaw so I can't check current status. Anyhow, I have generally thought of the 'Park' as being the area bounded by the fence (green line in the map) ... and even if you include the extra land leading towards the long water overlooked by Ujazdowski Castle then I'm still not sure that you can say that the castle is 'in' the park ... however, I am pretty ignorant of the historical definition of the park, and its layout pre-WWII for example. I 'feel' that Ujazdowski castle is separate because to get there you have to leave the fenced bit of Łazienki and walk along the road, past the separate botanical gardens (primarily felt as separate because you have to pay an entrance fee) and then down the longish approach before you get to the castle itself ... it's not one of the things you'd typically visit on a Sunday walk like the Chopin monument, the palace on the island, the theatre on the water, the orangeries and so on ... all those things (inside the fenced srea) seem to belong together in the article as they are the various features of the park. Ujazdów may well belong in the article, but it does seem somehow quite separate. Stumps (talk) 09:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- See: Plan of the Łazienki Park Martim33 (talk) 11:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
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- You were right the first time. Ujazdów Castle is "a castle in Warsaw's historic Ujazdów district, between Ujazdów Park and Łazienki Park..." Ujazdów Castle is not on the premises of Łazienki Park. Nihil novi (talk) 23:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Similarly, the Belweder Palace is mis-stated in the "Łazienki Park" article as being one of the Park's buildings. It isn't. Its rear abuts on Łazienki, but is not part of the Park. Nihil novi (talk) 23:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree, but my hesitation is because I'm wondering if there's some distinction between the 'park' .. where everybody strolls around on a Sunday, and the grounds that are labelled 'Łazienki Królewskie'. Stumps (talk) 08:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- So far as I know, "Łazienki Królewskie ("Royal Łazienki," or "Royal Baths") = "Łazienki Park." And in any case this article is about the Park.
- Why don't you put out an inquiry at Portal talk:Poland/Poland-related Wikipedia notice board?Nihil novi (talk) 08:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree, but my hesitation is because I'm wondering if there's some distinction between the 'park' .. where everybody strolls around on a Sunday, and the grounds that are labelled 'Łazienki Królewskie'. Stumps (talk) 08:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- Similarly, the Belweder Palace is mis-stated in the "Łazienki Park" article as being one of the Park's buildings. It isn't. Its rear abuts on Łazienki, but is not part of the Park. Nihil novi (talk) 23:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- You were right the first time. Ujazdów Castle is "a castle in Warsaw's historic Ujazdów district, between Ujazdów Park and Łazienki Park..." Ujazdów Castle is not on the premises of Łazienki Park. Nihil novi (talk) 23:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
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